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GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE
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� February 12, 2003 .
� Councilors Present: Gerry Palmer, Anne Allen, Richard Greene, David Nealley,
� Nichi Farnham, Frank Farrington
� Staff Present: Ed Barrett, Norm Heitmann, John Hamer, Bob Farrar, Chief
Winslow, Joe McNeil
� Other Present: Many citizens, Mr. Crosby, Ken Buckley, Ms. Alley, Mr. Strater
� The meeting convened at 5:05 p.m.
1. Review/Discussion of Canadian Broadcast Channel opportunities.
� Heitmann said that since we have had concerns from citizens regarding Canadian
Broadcast Channel opportunities, we have invited Gary Crosby of Adelphia to
� discuss these issues. Crosby said that he would like to hear from members of
the audience first. Palmer introduced Mr. Gleason.
� Mike Gleason stated that he is a citizen of Bangor as well as a Canadian citizen.
He said that the initials CBC stand for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,
which is the equivalent in Canada to public government in the United States.
�, There are two�other national Canadian television networks, Global lV and
� Canadian Television. He said that Adelphia has added to its cable lineup, a
. .network on Cable Channel 71, where French programming is televised. He noted
, � that Canada is only 99 miles down the road, and he can get a New Hampshire
station everyday, and would prefer to hear about news in Canada. He pointed
out that Canada is our largest world-trading partner. He said that in the City's
� . . vision statement, it says the international city linking North America and the
world, and he wants to see this�happen with our neighbors in Canada. He
presented a video of what CBC airs each morning in Canada.
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Palmer commented that although people are happy that they have a French
� speaking, they are interested in something Canadian, Franco-American and more
news about the Maritimes and Canada in general. He said that we have a lot of
commerce back and forth with Canada.
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Alien said that when you travel to Canada, you could turn on the t.v. and know
what is going on down here in Bangor. It would be nice to reciprocate the �
service.
Gary Crosby, General Manager of Adelphia, said that part of the problem that �
they have at Adelphia involves copyright issues. In his initial report he was to
increase c.opyright fees by $90,000 a year. He said.his other option was to draft
four channels out of a broadcast lineup and then maintain his current copyright �
status. He didn't think either option was prudent. He said that they had
technical issues bringing in another broadcast including antennae and microwave
issues. He said that in 2002 he had made a change in the general lineup for �
broadcast, which opens doors for adding new channels. He thinks he has found
a CBC channel. He is not convinced that all of the information that he has
received is 100% accurate, and wants time to verify it before making a �
commitment to the Council.
Allen said in the regard to the copyright fees, is there any way that we can lobby �
our legislature to help in this issue. Crosby said that he thought this was too
small a market. � �
Nealley wondered if costs were a barrier, if some of the targe Canadian
companies in the area might be able to assist in possibly underwriting or �
� sponsoring that channel. Grosby said that in the company's current Chapter 11
situation that is certainly something that he would consider.
Farrin ton said that re ionall this is ve enticin . He asked who would a the �
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copyright fee. Crosby said that they would collect it from vendors. Farrington �
wanted to know if the channel would be available on demand or with everything
else. Crosby said that this would be part of the broadcast package, due to the
copyright fees involved. �
Mr. Gleason stated that one of his focal points was to get this channel into the
� - basic package._ So that this could be in schools, dormitories and the majority of �
homes.
Palmer asked Crosby to update on Adelphia in general. Crosby said the future �
looks better today than it did a year ago. He said that with the cable company
itself, the customers, the cable lines and the operation here, he doesn't think .
that we will ever see the system go black. He said that they have a new CEO �
who is making changes. Some of the things that will occur over the next 60-90
� days will have a profound impact on our company. The future for Adelphia is
solid.
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Palmer said that we need to learn more abaut our Canadian neighbars, and that
�his wauld be one such opportunity to do sa, He thanked Mr. Crasby and
�, 4 expressed his appreciation with the work that Adelphia is doing.
� 2. BAT-Community Cannector and Central Hub Safety Issues.
Farrar said that at the last Cit}r Council Meeting, staff was asked ta prepare a
report regarding an assault, which occurred at �he Pickering Square Parking
� Garage in early�anuary. Farrar presented his five-page repart outlining some of
the findings of the efFort. Farrar stated that they are certainly cammitted to the
safety and securi�ty of al1 of our bus patrons. This is aur number one objective as
� we transport riders in the city and neighboring communities. We transport some
500,C100 peaple in the course of a year. .
� Farrar said that with respect to the Pickering Square area itself, we did have in
the past 13 months about 176 calls far service ta that area. Of those caUs, 82
� were far the area of Pickering Square itself, while 94 calfs were for the bus
waiting area where we load and unload our passengers. The variety of calls
dealt with involved everything from skateboarding to intoxication to trespass to
� wanting ta move people alang. That is a high traffic area, and we da have a
number of issues that we deai with on a cantinual basis. Ne noted that there are
severaf safety measures in place. Our police do patro!.that on a regular basis,
� bath in patroi cars and in the bike patrofi during the late spring, summer and faH.
We have a number of security cameras �hat are strategically located in ar►d
around the park area and the bus waiting area as we11 as the parking garage
� itself. We also have a number of city employees who are there in the area; the
bus drivers do disembark when the buses are there. We have Parks and
Recreation stafF who clean in the park area. He said that the parking garage has
� stafF during mo�t of the day, who couid assist an an emergency basis. Our bus
drivers do have two-way radios and are in constant communication with our bus
� headquarter ofFice on Maine Avenue. There are a number of safetjr procedures
� currently in place to ensure the averall safety and security of our passengers. �
From time to time issues and problems do occur. When samething happens, we
� do call the police immediately.
Farrar said there are two potential opt�ons ta deal with the continuir�g issues that
� we have outlined for you.. One is to consider clasing the waiting room and the
restraom areas. As noted by the Chief of Police, those are the areas that tend to
generate transient traffic. That optior�wauld Create some incanvenience for
� patrons of the system. The other ap�ion would be to consider maving the
headquarters of the BAT system down to the parking garage area. We can
prepare additior�al infarmatian on this aption if yau would lilce. Far.rar said that
Chief Winslow would like to share additional information regarding the assault,
and Joe McNeil, our BAT Superintendent, is here as well. �
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Winslow commented that the fact that we had 176 calls down there, at first
would seem like a lot of calis. We do about 30,000 calis throughout the City �
and a fair majority are in the downtown area due to the large number of people
in the area. The bus drivers are encouraged to call when something is out of
place or before it gets out of hand. The�clerk that works at the parking garage �
has been told to call us, and she does. Winlsow said that it is not unusual to
have 2-3 calls within an hour of one another, and they are basically dealing with
the same individual. Regarding the assault that took place, the call was �
generated on January 6, 2003. It was a cell phone call that went to the state
police, all 911 cell phone calls go to the state police, and then it was sent to
Bangor. It was identified as an assault in progress; we dispatched two units to �
the area. When they got there, they could not locate the suspect or the victim
as they had already left the area. They did talk to a couple of witnesses and �
tried to locate the people involved. From a police standpoint, it was a dead
issue, not an active investigation, until it was brought to our attention at Monday
night's council meeting. We did reopen the investigation and located the suspect
and the victim. It is important to point out that this did not appear to be a �
random act of�violence, these people did have an association, however they were
. not in a domestic partnership situation. We interviewed the suspect and he
admitted to being in an altercation with a woman down there. His story is that _
she was actually the aggressor. There was an issue that involved money and
drugs. He identified�the victim for us. We interviewed the victim, and she �
indicated that she was in an altercation. She had a difFerent perspective;
however she said that she did not want the police involved, and she is not
interested in pursuing charges. She did sustain an injury to her shoulder. At this '
point, Winslow said the case is again inactive. If the victim should come forward
with a change of heart, we woufd look at it again. Winslow said that he had a
conversation this afternoon with Jim Aucoin, Assistant District Attorney, and ran �
the scenario by him to see if this is something that they would be interested in
us pursuing charges against the suspect. Mr. Aucoin thought that there were too ,- �
many evidentiary concerns based on the fact that she was going to be a
reluctant witness. Palmer wanted to know where the alleged perpetrator
currently was. Winslow said that he is at his residence in Bangor. When we �
interviewed him we discovered that he had been incarcerated. We had arrested
him February 5"' on a warrant. He does have a history, and he has been
arrested a number of times. �
Allen says that this appears to be more complex than activity around the bus
location. She asked that even though there is a lot of high traffic going through ,
this area, there are no shops to deter this type of activity or is this type of
activity going to happen no matter what? Winslow said that people would
congregate in areas where they feel comfortable and not engaging constantly �'
with a high volume of people. There are a lot of people who use the transit
system and a lot of them choose to wait outside. Where we have the issues is �
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bathrooms. Winslow noted that we do not have these problems in the Bangor
�� Mall where there are thousands of people traversing through the corridor. We
don't have these problems on Main Street during the day when there are people
conducting regular business. The big draw to this area is the fact that we have a
�' warm waiting area and public restrooms.
� Nealley wanted to know if this suspect's other charges were related to assault.
Winslow said that there were four prior assault arrests. Nealley said that could
this be reason enough to revoke bus privileges? Heitmann said to have such a
� policy could create a lot of problems. The purpose of the bus policy is to protect
our bus patrons. Heitmann said that he is not aware of this individual's criminal
activity or alleged criminal activity involved a patron on the bus. We do not
� know if he was going to ride the bus or if the victim was going to ride the bus.
� It is not at all clear whether he actually committed a crime, if his story is correct
in terms of assault, then his actions may be self-defense. If we are concerned
� . about �n individual with a criminal record, do we do a criminal background check
on every individual that rides the bus? How do we know how often they ride the
bus, if I go out there do I have to have a criminal background check first before
� I'm allowed to get on the bus? Nealley said that his concern was did his past
violations show assault related. Heitmann said was the assault at the bus stop
� because that's where the woman was, for instance if he had had the same
altercation on the other side of Pickering Square, would that have made him any
more or less of a threat to riders of the bus? How do you monitor that unless
, you are going to do a check on everybody that rides the bus? Heitmann said
that we get federal money for the bus and we would have to explore any policies
of not allowing certain classes of people to rider the bus, which could jeopardize
, state and federal grants that we have. Heitmann stated that this was certainly
not a simple answer.
� Winslow commented that their investigation did reveal that the victim was there
waiting to take a bus to Hampden. He said he did not know the circumstances
that drew the suspect to the area. The situation did not concern the bus; it was
� between these two individuals and just happened to take place near the bus
system. Heitmann said that this is not to say that if these people tried to get on
� the bus, that if the bus driver had witnessed this he has the right to not allow
them on the bus if he has legitimate concerns for�the safety of other passengers
on the bus.
� Palmer asked to hear from Joe McNeil regarding his comments of moving the
� BAT ofFce to the parking garage location. Palmer said that the.area that is
� � under the graveled area by the bus stop downtown was always envisioned to be
retail or office space. When he first came to Council, Palmer said that he ,
requested that this go�out f.or RFP, to see who might be interested. Economic
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Development was very helpful in that process, it was announced and there were
no takers at that time. About a year and a half after that, Mayor Michael Aube �
and Palmer had some discussions with the farmer's market people, however
there was not enough interest to make it worthwhile. There have been some
efForts since the building was built to have some retail there. It is sterile, there's �
not much traffic and not a lot of people, and we should be commended for public
bathrooms, although they do create some challenges.
McNeil said that two incidents in the olice re ort one was a lady kicking the �
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door of a bus because she was agitated with someone on the bus, and we did
not allow her to ride, and prosecuted her for damage to the bus. The other �
incident involved a gentleman that got into a verbal discussion with somebody on
the Mount Hope run. It became unruly so the bus driver pulled over the bus and �
warned them, and further up the road, he asked them to get ofF the bus. We do
not want the bus drivers to be physically involved in ejecting passengers, we ask
them to call the office and we call the police. We end up calling the police quite
a bit. A lot of times people leave before the police arrive, and legally we need to �
warn them first before we can have them arrested, therefore one person can
generate a number of calls before we can actually get them out of the area. As �
far as the office being at Pickering Square, we have looked at this, however due
to the cost factor, we have not done this. The Cities of Portland and Lewiston
has a similar type hub, and Portland staffs their hub from 8 am to 7 pm, and �
there is noone there until midnight, when they their service ends, and Lewiston
does not staff their hub with bus personnel. Bangor's duties would not allow us
to staff an office at the hub with the two personnel that we have. �
. Nealley said that the police being called does serve as a deterrent, but is not �
intimidating. Nealley asked if there is a certain period of time in the evening
where it might make sense to have additional staff, and then said he gathered
that this was not the case. �
McNeil said that another option could be a call box directly to the BAT office or
the police station if someone felt threatened or intimidated in the waiting area. �
He said that the gravel area is the generator of most of the problems, and we
can see what is happening ira the waiting area. If we see people there at certain
times after the buses have departed, we know they are not waiting for the bus. �
If people are loitering, we send the police down to have them move along.
Another option is fencing in the graveled area until it is developed, and may
prevent people from hanging out here and drinking. It took us fifteen years to �
get bathrooms from our patrons, and if we close out the waiting area and
bathrooms this would be a concern. In the study that we are doing right now, �
the consultant has said we need a stronger effort to develop the graveled area.
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� ene said that clearl that this is an unfortunate incident and wanted to let Ms.
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Alley know that we are receptive and we are very sorry that this happened.
� Having said that, it also fairly obvious that this just happened to take place
where the bus was in close proximity, and it could have happened anywhere in
� the city. In reading the report, when this incident was phoned in, there was not
a copy of the videotape because it had been reused. Winslow said that this is
correct, they hold the videotapes for two weeks and when the police officer
� respondedr he did not think it necessary to secure the tape with no victim
present. It is not clear whether the incident would have been on the videotape
anyway. Greene wanted to know if it was brightly lit in the area with signs
� posted to state no loitering. McNeil said there are no loitering signs, and it is
well illuminated except for the graveled area. Greene wanted to know if lighting
it could eliminate some problems. McNeil said that blocking it ofF wouid
� eliminate the problems. Winslow concurred with McNeil that blocking the ar.ea
ofF would eliminate problems. Greene wanted to know if individuals captured on
videotape could be prosecuted. Heitmann said that this is a piece of evidence
� that the district attorney is permitted to use. That doesn't mean that he would in
fact prosecute.
� Allen said that she commends Ms. Alley for bringing this issue forth. She said
that she is reluctant to close off the bathrooms and waiting area. She would like
� to see is more activity with personnel in the area. She recommended some kind
of preventative campaign for behavior on the bus.
� Kathy Alley, a resident of Bangor, stated that she is really nervous about the
suspect being able to ride the bus. She noted that she sees him on the bus and
he is always"stoned" or agitated, and there are other people like this on the bus.
� She said that she couldn't believe that it is not against the law for someone to do
what he did, and that he doesn't get arrested, because he has a violent past.
She wanted to know why someone with a history could not be thrown ofF the
� bus. She wanted to know why we let homeless people sit down there and ride
around and around on the bus and harass the other patrons. She said that nice
people such as her do not act like this. She commented that older people and
� people with disabilities like herself should be able to feel safe when they ride the
bus. Palmer said that he appreciates her comments, however in this specific
� case there is no leverage to prosecute according to the legal and police
department. He said that his 13-year-old daughter regularly rides the bus, and
has had no specific problem. He said that there are lots of different people that
use that bus, many are in programs in our area. He said that the issue of
� violence needs to be addressed, but there are many people who live in the
shadows and are people who are struggling and trying to make it. Alley said she
1 � applauds those people, the homeless who are trying. Palmer said that it is hard
to engineer the request of getting "these people" on the bus and "those people"
ofF the bus. When there is behavior that is illegal, then we have ways to address �
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that. Palmer said there are some things that we-might be able to do such as put
up a call box, or a fence�around the dark graveled area, or a better system for
reviewing the video surveillance tapes. Palmer said that perhaps the parking �
staff could be encouraged or enticed to do more in observation; and perhaps we
could put out an�RFP to develop this area. Anything we can do in terms of �
prevention such as what is inappropriate behavior and how we deal with that. In .
terms of the specific issue that you're talking about, he said he was not hearing
that we could do anything specifically about that event. He said that some good �
suggestions have come up and that we have a good staff,.good police
department, good legal department and councilors who are concerned, otherwise
this never would have risen to this level in terms of the committee work, and �
good citizens who are trying to do the right thing. We appreciate that. Nealley
said that in terms of public policy, there is an opportunity for BAT to have a �
policy that suggests that anybody that exhibits this kind of violence behavior, is
prohibited from riding the bus. It should be a privilege to ride the bus that can
be revoked. It might not be a.policy worth pursuing, since this seems like a �
relatively isolated situation.
Palmer asked if anyone else in the audience wished to speak on this issue. �
Palmer recommended that there should be a report back to this committee in 30
days with some ideas and cost parameters to address some or all of these ideas �
to make the BAT safer. As on citizen of Bangor, it impresses him to see the
BATs parading around our community. They are more accessible for people with
disabilities, great to see at the Folk Festival, and it would be important to us to ,
have a program and a bus depot that would complement not take away from the
wonderful vehicles that we have. In a month he would like to get together and
invite Ms. Alley back. ,
Dave Strader from Bangor came forward and said that we might consider
monitors on the bus. Palmer said that al! buses have communication systems. �
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Palmer noted that there were a large number of people in the audience and
. asked if they were there to discuss item number 4. As most were, Palmer �
suggested discussing this item out of order.
4. Discussion of request from the Peace and 7ustice Center for the City �
Counc�l to consider adopt6reg a Res�lution �pposing lillar dvith I�aq.
Farrar noted that Councilor Tremble had contacted him last week as he had been �
contacted by representatives of the Peace and Justice Center requesting the City
Council's consideration of a resolution indicating opposition to war with Iraq. �
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� determine if there is support for Council taking a position on this issue. Farrar
noted that he had provided a copy of a City of Portland Resolve for informational
purposes. As of late this afternoon, Farrar had obtained copies of a resolution
� that the State of Maine legislature has recently considered. �
Palmer said that he knows there is a lot of sentiment out there, but he was not
� sure that we would be able to hear from all of them. He asked how many -
people would like to speak in favor of this resolution by a show of hands. And
how many who would like to speak opposed to this issue. He noted that we had
� some of both. He asked if Margaret was going to speak. He noted that it was
she who had asked Councilor Tremble to bring this forth. He asked if people
who were going to speak could say something different or ditto to give more
�;. people an opportunity to come forward with a different viewpoint.
Scott Rufner of Bangor said that there are five other people who would like to
� read statements from various perspectives as why we think it's important for the
Bangor City Council to consider this resolution and pass it. One of the issues is
� why should the Bangor City Council take up an issue regarding foreign policy.
He said that there are several reasons to do so. He noted that Portland and
Orono have passed similar res,olutions. The arguments for relevance are that it
� is incumbent upon all of us as citizens to participate in our local government
, when there are issues like this that have great moral import, and this does. War
not only puts in harm's way our service people; it also risks the lives of civilian
� innocents. Rufner said that in Bangor we think of ourselves as an international
city, we have and international airport, we have an international relationship with
our neighbors to the north and hopefully others, and this is of great international
� interest. In other countries, this issue has put the United States position in not a
very favorable light. Rufner says this impacts Bangor in a number of ways, it
could afFect the people that come to visit us here, it could afFect the way that we
� are treated abroad, and it may enhance the anti-American sentiment that led to
the previous events of September llth. Rufner stated that we know that our
� federal government is facing a large deficit, and the State of Maine is facing a
large deficit, and even though in Bangor we compliment ourselves on being
fiscally responsible, those things can trickle down and affect programs such as
� education and healthcare. He said that the costs would be greater if we pursued
this on a unilateral footing versus a multilateral footing where costs would be
shared. He said that many people in the armed services are in the guard and
� being called up in their reserve units, and may be the first responders in our city.
In. general this war on Iraq led mostly by the United States government without
the multilateral suppor� of the intern.ational community could have very serious
� consequences that will afFect us in Bangor, and we should consider this not only
on the moral grounds, but on the factual ground that would be in order for us to
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have a resolution that would encourage our federal government to act in a
muitilateral United Nations contest. '
Mayor Farnham wanted to verify Mr. Rufner's address.
Greene said that he was still not convinced that the City Council should be ,
creating a resolve on this. He said that he disagreed with many things that Mr.
Rufner said, and he agreed with some of the things he said. He said that we �
also have a military presence in the city. He said that Rufner covered a wide
range of issues and that nobody likes the prospect of war. Greene said that we
did not'�throw the first stone" as Rufner referenced to 9-11, and that he was not �
convinced that this should be considered by the Council.
Farrington asked if Rufner was ever in the service, and Rufner replied that he �
was not, but he had many relatives who have been and still are. .
Nealley said that he was concerned because it was unprecedented what the �
state legislature did in this regard and it went straight party lines in the senate,
and Governor Baldacci started a great way to get everybody together on the �
same page working on the same cause. Then they went into something the
state has no real authority on, as individuals with opinions of U.S. citizens; we
have authority to write our U.S. Congress with our opinions, which can influence �
it. U.S. Congress has been briefed with intelligence, that we have not been privy
to, and nor should we see more until they do what they have to do. The real
issue is that are we going to take on something that we have no authority on, �
and if you took a poll of the City of Bangor and issued a resolve based on that
poll it might come out different than you would want to see. Nealley said it is
very important to establish where the Council is going to be on this, and we will ,
be establishing a precedent for the Bangor City Council. He said that there are
some towns that voted on this that are very disappointed that they got into this �
position, because in most cases this went down party lines of those who support.
the administration and those who do not really support it. He said the issue is
one whether we should take on this issue at all, if we do determine to do so then 1
we should have a council debate. The end resolve will probably not be one that
will�be most palatable to this group.
Palmer said that there are a large number of people present and he would like to ,
hear from them, however he does not want to hear the same story. He said that
the crux of this issue is, is this an item that the City Council needs to address? �
. He said that there are three voting members of this committee, Allen, Greene
and himself.
He asked for others who wish to s eak in favor of this resolution. �
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� addressed something of this magnitude of concern. In 1982 with the Freeze
Campaign in which the Council went on record as supporting the freeze. The
.f second occasion was about five years ago, in favor of.abolishing nuclear
weapons. She said it is extremely important for citizens to be able to have the
� Council at the local level hear the level of concern and debate the issue. She
said that she was definitely in favor of this resolution. Palmer thanked her and
� said that a� lot of people at the table were here when the nuclear issue was
discussed and voted upon.
� Ron Warner of Bangor said that he is a Vietnam Veteran, a member of Am-Vet
and DAV, and for the last six years he has worked with other veterans trying to
get proper health care for our veterans in Togus. He said that he has worked
� with Senators Snowe and.Collins, Representatives Allen and Baldacci and now
with Representative Michaud. He said that he would like to bring this issue
� home as to what a war with Iraq will mean to Bangor veterans. He said that he
would like to cover the situation in VA health care to do that. Secretary Principi
of the VA has stated that the VA is in crisis. It has been mentioned that Maine's
� share of the war on Iraq would be $267 million. We know that the State of
Maine is running a $1 billion deficit. Just recently in the Maine VA, 5,800
veterans in the system did not have a doctor. Waits for care are up to a year
� and a half. The situation is so bad that they have stopped accepting category A
veterans for applying for VA health care. Palmer asked Mr. Warner to limit his
comments to the resolution, noting that he realizes that they are interrelated,
� but the more direct he could be, the more helpful it would be to this committee.
Mr. Warner said that he is for the resolution against war in Iraq, because war
with Iraq would cost veterans more of their health care. Right now we have 600
� veterans waiting to get into the Bangor clinic. Right now the state is proposing
cutting Maine Veteran services. That office brings in $40 million to the Maine
economy. He said his point is that war with Iraq is only going to exacerbate the
� situation in VA health care for Bangor veterans, and that is why he is for an anti- .
war resolution. Palmer thanked Mr. Warner for his comments.
� Cheryl Pelletier of Bangor noted that Chicago had voted 64-1 against the war in
Iraq. She said that these are hard times and she would be favorable to this
resolution. Palmer thanked her for her comments.
� Margaret Bailey of Bangor said that she was here to ask for the Council to pass
this resolution. She said she has many reasons and many of them the Council
� has just heard, but she had one particular reason. She has been involved with
the Bangor Area Homeless Shelter since it opened. We now have room for 32
people to spend the night and a day program, which supports services from local
� agencies, and a 3-meal a.day program with an annual food budget of $300. She
said the Shelter's annual expense budget is $315,000.and does not take into
account the approximately $215,000 of volunteer support and donations.
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Government funds, which come through the Maine State Housing Authority, pay
for less than 40% of our costs. The results could be described as an unfunded �
mandate and/or cost shifting onto the local community. Palmer stated that he
realized that this indirectly is related to the resolution, however he asked her to
focus more on the direct relation to the resolution. We need to consider how
money spent on another war could be.diverted to fund many organizations and
institutions, which are for people in need and make for healthy improving secure
communities. Palmer thanked her for her comments. �
Dr. Jeff Gratwick of Bangor said that he was here representing the group
Physicians for Social Responsibility. As of today, there are 50 physicians that �
have signed a similar resolution, and he passed this to the Committee members.
He asked the Committee to.pay attention to what is needed on the homefront. �
He said that right now we are in a health care crisis, and these funds are
urgently needed at home to care for our fellow citizens. Palmer thanked Dr.
Gratwick for his comments. �
Bjorn Slavo of Bangor said that he was here representing peace through the
American Community Action Group, a grass roots organization in Bangor that
works with strengthening our local community to deal with issues such as human
rights. He said that he wanted to draw a parallel between Bangor Clean Clothes
resolution that passed five years ago. This involved the City Council speaking on �
the concerns of human rights and economic rights�for people across the globe,
not just here in Bangor. He reminded the Council for their support of the
community Carasque in EI Salvador in 1999. When our national leaders have lost �
their moral compass, it is incumbent upon civil society and state and local
government to speak up. He urged the Committee to pass this resolution. �
Palmer thanked Mr. Slavo for his comments.
Cliff Guthrie of Bangor said that he teaches at Bangor Theological Seminary and
said that he does not represent any particular community of space. He said that �
there is a real reluctance for people to support this war effort. From the
Christian community, there is the just war theory. There�are five points to this �
theory, the first is that the body that declares war have to have a lawful
authority to act, and it is simply not clear to many Christian thinkers that the
United States standing alone or with a limited number of nations has the �
authority to act without first being attacked by Iraq. The second is that the war
has to be for a just cause and this is usually attributed to a nation being attacked
first or perceived as an imminent threat of. attack. The third is that every effort �
has to be made to resolve this dispute by peaceful means, and since the
inspection process is still not complete, it is not clear that this is the case. The
-fourth is that war should not unleash more evil than is already being endured. It �
certainly is not clear that any military action might be a tinderbox and cause
much more sufFering. Th� fifth point is that to engage in a just war, we have to �
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have a reasanable chance of success. He said that he wondered what success
� means in this case. In just war theory, �f any one of these five criteria are not
met then a war is not justified. From what he has heard, a lot af people think
that nane of these have been met. Palmer thanked tiim for his cammenfis.
� Nealley said that money is ane of the main issues of oppasition to war. He said
�hat is not what this is about— money. In regard to morality, we all have to be
� careful about how we tread about haw different peopfe perceive the importance
of taking care of people that have been behind or been involved in terrorist
activities warldwide, that may harbor terrorists, that may harbor the fypes of .
� weapons that have been used. As far as the first attack case, we must leave it
up to inte(iigence reports to address this, because as we all know we have had
�� ` U.S. senators do a complete 180 on this after hearing intelligence reports. He
� noted that the nationai poH is 62% behind the administration a�this point, and
the glot�al pal! is maving up.
�I Sal Grenier of Bangor said tha� he has a document outlining ten reasons to
suppart the resotution.
�� Greta Halpern a seniar at Bangor High Schooi said that what she really likes
abou� Bangor is that the peaple are very receptive ta views. She said that she
� was one of eight students that went to D.C. for the rally in January, and each
one of them represer�ted more studerrts from the school who didn't have the
resources to make the trip, She said it is very important far Bangor to iisten to
� its youth as it has in �he past. She said that war should be a last resart, as da
many, many students at Bangor High School. Palmer thanked her for her
camments.
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�oyce Elling of Bangor said tha�we are being asked �o go to war ori trus� and
� faith in our government. She said that she would like to have faith in her
gavernment, hawever it has been undermined by the secrecy it likes to aperate
in. She said that she was referring specifically to the energy policy. She said
� that tl�ere were so many countries that were warried and opposed to war. She
said that there is a strong outcry across the world saying do not.go to war ye�.
Farnham asked for a paint of arder as to the relevance as to whether or not the
� Bangor City Council should take on this particular issue. Elling said that she is a
citizen tha� lives in Bangar and hears the planes fly overhead. She said �hat i� .
worries her that we are abaut to go to war. She said it is a moral and ethical
� duty and she asked the Council to please support this resolution. Palmer
thanked her.
� Palmer asked how many more people would like to speak in favor af the
resolution and nated that lie would take �hree more.
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John Hanson of Bangor said tha�the late Tip O'Neill said that a!l politics is local.
Given that, the Bangar City Council is the representative of citizens who live and �
work in Bangor, so if not the Bangor City Council, then who. He said it is clearly
not without precedence that the Bangor City Council in its wisdom and its
courage has issued a!I kinds of resalves to the legislature and ta the Congress of �
the United States on issues that Bangor citizens thought were criticai. He �aid
that this has been characterized as an anti-war resolution. With a!! due respec�
to the people who have characterized it, he said that he would argue that it is �
not like that at all. If yau examine the resolution carefully, it talks about what is
happening, how other countries and the United Natians are urging diplomatic
resalutions and continuation of inspectians and the most critical part of any �
resolution is the resolve. We are urging the President of the United States to
canti�ue pursuing a multilateral, diplomatic appraach to resolving the current �
conflict, and achieve a valid objective of disarming Saddam Hussein. So this is
nat saying that we are opposed to war. We are saying as one of you said very
eloquently, war is distasteful, no one wants to go inta war. He said that this �
reso4ution is urging that for as long as we passibly canj we pursue the current
inspections and diplomatic channels in order to resofve that question and disarm
Saddam Hussein. He said that this is far dif�erent than anything the United �
States has ever written before, and that is why already 77 municipal
governmenks have passed similar types af resolutions. As a result of 9-11 we are
becoming more and more like same of the countries that we criticize, and that is �
a sad day. Vtle are moving from a defense posture of cantainment and the fear
of retaliatian to preemptive declaration of war, before anything has really
happened �a us against the cauntry. So �.angstar� Hughes said when would �
America be America again? Our posture ought ta be one of trying to pursue all
possible avenues and uti4ize war as the last resort. That is what makes this �
resolution so compelling and in the words af Spike Lee we have the opportunity
ta do the right thing. The right thing is to urge aur gavernment to pursue all
possible channels shart of war before we actually unilaterally and without �
multilateral support move in ta attack Iraq. Palmer�hanked Mr. Hanson far his
comments.
Ann Schonberger of Bangar said that she protested the Vietnam War and said �
that she was heartened to see peopie challenging the possibiiity of this war
before it begins. She said that the economic problems that will ensue are �
certainly eompelling, but she really objecctss on mara! grounds. She said that we
should use the structure of the United Nafiions which was so careful{y crafted
a#ter Warld War II, because we didn't want to have to deal with that sor� of war �
again. We should be an equal member of the United Nations, so that we are
modeling rather�han defying a peaceful resolutian to this conflict. Palmer
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Palmer asked for one more proponent of the resolution and seeing no one
approach he asked for those who wish to speak against the resalution to step
�' farvuard.
� Charlie Birlcel of Bangor read fram a prepared statement. He said that he
believes as our Cortstitution guarantees that rights of people to speak aut openly,
to agree or disagree an issue as such. He said that as we exercise these rights,
�. we have a responsibiliiy to use lagic and understanding of the issues, especiaNy
when America is facing numerous challenges, As people speak up they must be
� mindful of peopie amongst us, their pain, their invoivement and their lifesiyle, as
many served in our military in defense of the United 5tates of America. He went
an to say that our state has had a iong history of housing, association and strang
� support of our armed forces with their commissions and the defense of the
U.S.A. Our own men and women from here and live here serve on active duty in
the Natiana4 Guard and reserve units and al! branches of the armed forces. They
� are required to train Fiarder, ionger and be more proficient in their duties than
ever before. They are asked to make persanal sacrifces and be ready for
deplayment on short notices to heip preserve and protect the very freedams and
� liberties we enjoy today. This could very well be challenged tamorrow if America
drops its guard, its wif( and shows signs ofi weakness. He said that he gave a
total af 36 years af his life as a military member and worker in the armed forces
� of the U.S. He said that he retired fram the U.S. Air Force as a Master Sargeant,
anci said we must show support for aur troaps and their efforts. We must have
confidence in our president and commander in chief and ciur national leaders as
� they all work towards finding solutions for the prablems facing the world, the . �
United Natians, and the United States of America today. A message of non-
support can be wrongfulEy cammunicated into weaknesses by our adversaries
� � and enemies, not because of what we have done, but because of who we are
and what we stand far as freedom and peace-loving society: He said that it was
unfair to ask our City officials to adopt a resolution for our people, as they are in
I � no position to knaw �he minds of al# our people in regards ta natianal defense �
and security. Our local elected leaders'duties are to conduct the business of our
� people in operation af our citjr, We did nat elect them to not respect or to
interfere with national security policies of our nation. He said that he strongly
recammends that this Committee der�y this resolutian and not forward it to fhe
� full City Council for any further deliberatian. He said that in his years of service
and living, he lives by three wards when it comes to the very situation that we
are in today, duty, honor and country. Those words should apply for everyone
� of us as we address the situatian that our country is in taday. Palmer thanked
Mr. Birkel for his comments.
�. David Rogers ofi Bangor said that he is 20-year veteran ofi the U.S. Army and said
that he is concerned about tEiis issue, He said it grieves him ta hear some of the .
� arguments here. He asked why this council would agree to take on this issue,
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and said that they should not foliow what other councils around the state are
doing, it doesn't make it correct. Palmer said that to answer his question, this �
Committee was approached by a community member and was asked to have it
on the agenda. He said that war is a horrible thing and that the Committee
should not proceed with the resolution. He said that he found about this through �
the Bangor Daily News, and Palmer let him know that the agenda items are
available on Cable Channel 7. He said that this item is for the federal
government to pursue. He said that David Nealley had some really great �
comments. He asked that the Gouncil make a statement that says that they
support-the servicemen and women and their families. Palmer thanked him. '
Palmer asked the Committee what their comments are. Allen said that she was
grateful for this process and was glad to hear both sides of this. She said that �
this issue hits people personally, but there is a difference between something
that hits you personally and something that has to be resolved as a body. She
said that even though the momentum of the cities is going one way throughout �
the country, the fact is that this vote is decided by the U.S. Congress. She said
that she understands where people are coming from in regards to international
law and resolutions, but as our government is structured, we are trying to bring �
together items that may not work.
Palmer said that the procedure is that we will discuss it and there will or will not �
be a motion, there will be or not be a second to the motion. If there is a second
then there will be discussion, if not then it will be ofF the table. If the motion �
carri_es, then it goes to the full Council, and all councilors would address it and
there would be a resolution passed, amended or not passed.
Greene said that he maintains that he has not heard anything that makes him �
believe that this should be voted on at this level. He said he understands that
this is an emotional issue, and he appreciates everyone coming forward and �
giving his or her views. He said that this is not something that should be dealt _
with by the Bangor City Council.
Farrington said that.it is the right of everyone to express how he or she feels. ,
This is one of the many things that we are in conflict or in disagreement with the
regime in Iraq. He said that he agrees and disagrees with something that �
everyone has said. One of the comments by Mr. Hanson, it is the duty of this
council to address the concerns of its citizens, but.it is very hard to get all�the
facts and truth from everyone. One of the problems we have is that what is �
being done by those given the authority and responsibility at our national level is
that they have access to information that we cannot have. He said that his �
period in the�service was almost 50 years ago, and he remembers very little of it.
He said that he was only told what he had a need to know. In this level of
government we do not need to know many things, because it would put those in
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the charge of protecting us in harm s way. In the chain of command, the city
� level is at the bottom, and it is not appropriate for us to address this, but it is
highly appropriate for us to hold a forum to allow you to address us. He said
that he is not a voting member of this Committee, but he has not heard anything
� that would lead him to feel that it was their place to make this decision.
� Nealley said that the most important part of what we have done here is to allow
1 the process. He said that national defense is one of the foremost responsibilities
of the federal government. He said that this does not belong at the city or state
level. Municipal government has no legal authority input in national defense. He
� said that he gives credit to the Chair for hosting this forum, even though inre are
at a code orange stage.
' Mayor Farnham said that she also thanks the�Government Operations Committee
for hosting this discussion. She said that she was disappointed that this was
� even on the agenda. She said that we have a rich military history, Dow Air Force
Base years ago, and now the Army and Air Force National Guard. All of which
have moms and dads, daughters, sons all right now doing things at the request
� of their commanders. They live in our community and she said that she hoped
that this issue would stop here. The Council should consider other municipal
operation issues that we were elected to do.
, Palmer said that it has been very important that people get an opportunity to
speak. He said he remembers the Vietnam War, and that people opposed to
� that war did not have an opportunity to speak. He said that there has been a lot
of compelling comments on both sides. He said he would entertain a motion.
, He asked if there was a motion to be placed on the floor in regards to whether
we should adopt a resolution opposing the war with Iraq. He said hearing none,
, this issue is closed.
Palmer thanked all for their courtesy and patience.
� 3. Citizen concern regarding Taxicab Ordinance requireme�ts.
John Hamer presented a memo regarding tfie concerns that Mr. David Strater
� has with the City's Taxicab Ordinance.
Strater said that he is concerned about the requirement for a taxicab meter,
L even if he wanted to run a flat rate taxi. He said that he was told he could not
have a taxicab with a flat rate in place unless he has a meter, even if he is not
using it.
� Hamer said that the ordinance requires that all taxicabs have a taximeter, and he
is not sure that the ordinance would allow a flat rate.
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Strater asked why a grocer is not told that he has to sell a loaf at a certain price �
or a restaurant owner selling a meal at a certain price.
Palmer said before the meters there was a lot of abuse in what people could �
charge. Hamer said that this is pursuant to state authority but there is no state
ordinance.
Hamer said that the reason we came to.this meeting is that Mr. Strater is '
interested in changing the or.dinance. The City Clerk who issues the taxicab
licenses is bound to require that there be a taxicab meter. Hamer said this could i
be changed.if this is the will of the Council.
Palmer asked if you could have a meter and not use it? Hamer said that his ,
understanding from reading the ordinance is that you must use the meter for
fares.
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Hamer said that the point of the meter is to make sure that the rates were
standard and fair. �
Strater asked what happened to the buyer beware?
Allen asked if all meters have the same rate? Hamer said yes, that is what the ,
ordinance requires.
Barrett said that as a former cab driver when ou are o eratin a cab our �
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patrons do not have the opportunity to negotiate at the curb. The point of the ,
meter is to ensure that people are not taken advantage of and that they are
charged what the going rate is. The fares can be adjusted by the Council if they
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Palmer said that the taxicab drivers in our city are often our first ambassadors to
the city. It is very important that taxicabs are world class and clean and that �
people are treated respectfully.
Strater said that his idea is entrepreneurial, a non-traditional taxi. He said that ,
taxicab drivers are not regulated by how much they can drive, they can go 24
hours per day if they want, and tractor.-trailer drivers can not do that. Taxi cab
drivers barely make a living, and are restricted. He said he was going to use �
non-traditional types of transportation such as motorcycles, converted tractor-
trailers, horse and buggy. There is a difFerent insurance rate for these.
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Barrett said that depending on the tjrpe of conveyance, if it is a horse and
� carriage, this could be done on an hourly rate. He said that it is probably not
easily possible to get insurance for carrying passengers on a motorcycle.
� Greene asked for Mr. Strater's perception of a flat fee. Greene said that if he
arrived at the airport and asked to go to City Hall, what would the rate be? Mr.
Strater said that he would charge a flat $5 for any trip within the City, and an
� extra $5 to go to another city.
Nealley s�id that there is a reason to_have a meter for protection of the
� consumer.
Palmer said that perhaps taxicab is not the word you need to use, maybe there is
� some other service such as limo or tour service that you could use. He said that
this Council is interested in entrepreneurial individuals and building business in
� Bangor.
Barrett said that the meter says that there is a maximum allowable charge, but
� that does not mean that the driver can't charge less.
� Farnham said that this might be something to educate our people on. We may
� be able to help people become negotiating sawy with their taxicabs.
Barrett said that there should not be large variations in fares, but there are
' allowances for slow travel. Taxicab companies have different policies, which
afFect the fares. He noted that a lot of our cab companies are independent.
� Palmer advised Mr� Strater to work with John Hamer for future ideas.
' The meeting adjourned at 7:55 p.m.
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