HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-11-03 Municipal Operations Committee MinutesMunicipal Operations Committee
Meeting Minutes
November 3, 1888
Councilors Attending: Michael Crowley, Michael Anne, Nichi
Farnham,
Staff Attending: Edward Barrett, Don Winslow, Don Gross
1. Proposed Memorandum of AcLeement - Hoover Police Department
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Don Winslow told the Committee that this is a renewal of a -
going mutual aid agreement between the Bangor Police Department
and the Air Guard.
Councilor Farnham asked how often the Police Department and 101st
work together?. Don Winslow explained that they work very
closely and frequently throughout the year. Erik Stumpfel
cemented that he has reviewed this and it is a good agreement.
He does suggest that a sentence be added in each section that
specifies which agency is responsible for workers' comp and
liability claims in a mutual aid situation. It should state that
each agency is responsible for its own employees. Committee
directed staff to make the necessary changes to the agreement.
This will be put on the Council agenda.
2. City N r F Food
.Service% r
Councilor Crowley excused himself from this issue due to a
conflict. Councilor Aube took over as chair of the Committee.
At the time the Committee approved a trial basis to provide food
services, staff was directed to come back to the Committee with
an update and a proposed budget. Dan explained that they don't
have the final figures for October, but appear to be breaking
even. Councilor Aube asked if the revenues and expenses on the
operating summary are incremental revenues and expenses or are
they revenues and then expenses that would have been incurred
otherwise? Don answered that they are all incremental.
Public Comments:
Charles Helfin, Bangor resident, asked how many people are served
daily? Don answered between 50 and 60 for a full meal. Mr.
Helfin asked if there was a contract and with whom? Don answered
that the contract is in the drafting stage between CNF and the
University College of Bangor, an affiliate of University of Maine
at Augusta. Mr. Helfin asked if it specifies how many meals will
be served and what is the reimbursement? Don
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answered no, anyone can go out and get a meal. It is not
restricted to people who are students. Mr. Helfin asked where
the cooking is done? Don explained that the building immediately
next door to CNF is the old NCO Club of Dow Air Force Base. The
building houses a large ballroom, a smaller cafeteria room, a
cafeteria type service line, and a kitchen. In addition, there
are four classrooms and the University uses it as their
bookstore. The University desired to create an environment for
students that would be more conducive to a campus setting and
began looking for someone to provide meals within that space.
CNF responded hoping to contribute to students and perhaps entice
some to volunteer at CNF and at the same time, possibly make a
profit. This food service was not run last year. The operation
years prior was different because the University College of
Bangor didn't exist under the UMA structure at that time. It is
whole new operation. CNF has no rent or utility payments and
simply provides the food s staff to prepare a serve the meals.
The students pay for their own meals. Mr. Helfin asked if these
were permanent employees cooking and serving? Don answered that
they are part-time temporary employees of the City. Mr. Belfin
asked what insurance there is on employees working there? Dort
answered that there is food service coverage because they
currently provide food to the residents of CNF. Mr. Helfin asked
if this were
included in the budget? Don answered yes, it is
under the supplies. Mr. Helfin commented that he looked over the
budget and didn't see any insurance numbers. He saw benefits
listed and wondered if the workers are part-time employees, what
e the benefits? Don answered that workers' comp, unemployment
insurance, and social security are all paid.
Royce Day, Bangor resident, asked if they have catered meals at
the facility for various conferences? Don answered that there
are ongoing conferences at which CNF supplies donuts, coffee,
etc. for them in the morning at their request and juice and
apples or cookies in the afternoon, for a fixed fee per head.
This has been done 5-6 times. Don commented that these people
are usually there for the day and perhaps will buy their lunch in
the cafeteria, which adds to the business. Mr. Day asked if the
City were competing with private caterers? Ed Barrett answered
that in going into this, it was agreed that the City would only
do it if no one in the private sector were interested or if the
University could not come to an agreement with anyone in the
private sector. Mr, day contented that he felt if a group uses
the old NCO club for a meeting, wouldn't it be a conflict of
interest? Councilor Aube asked Don if the University adds that
cost on to the conference group? Dort answered no. The
University is charging a facility fee and the individuals as ing
the facility are free to hire whomever they want to providethem
with their coffee and donuts.
Charlie Dirkel commented that he doesn't feel that a nursing
facility should engage in providing dining hall facilities for
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another enterprise. He feels that the City canot keep on in
endeavors where we might break even and might not break even.
Mr. Helfin asked if the victualers license allows you to go off
campus to serve meals? Ed Barrett answered that the City has a
separate license for the University location.
Councilor Farnham asked if the school has been marketing this to
students and if there has been any noticeable change because of
it? Don answered that yes, the student government has put out
coupons for a free meal, at their expense.
Don reported that the University is spending money on that
building. The entrance has been redone for handicap
accessibility and they have made many renovations to the
interior. This is encouraging that the University is making a
commitment.
Councilor Aube asked Ed what the University's enrollment numbers
e this year. Ed answered that their enrollment is up slightly
this year. There has been some growth recently for the
University.
Nothing is required from the Committee at this time. This was an
Update item.
3. City Nursim Facility- Residential Carp Proposal Update
Ed Barrett commented that the state has approved the City's
residential care license application. The reimbursement rate
established is slightly lower than the rate which staff had used
in projections ($1.15 per day). Staff updated the financial
tables on the various alternatives. As a result, the Steady
State scenario net total effect stays the same. The Alternate
Residential Care changes slightly, approximately by $1,000. The
21 bed scenario, which is what has been approved, changed by
approximately $5r600. Table 3, the 21 bed scenario, is the
scenario the Committee should be looking at in terms of whether
to Proceed with the residential care option. The other
background information to be taken into account is the additional
cost associated with Health and Welfare. Ed's suggestion is that
now that staff has the information needed on the financial side,
Dave Pellegrino, Don Gross and Mary -Anne Chalila can start
putting together a schedule that will show when things could
happen to have a better idea of time. The suggestion is to have
a full Council workshop to go over all the information with the
full Council. In light of the fact that there is a pending bid
for some of the construction work that was tabled from the
Finance Committee pending a full review to decide how to proceed,
this should be done soon.
At the last meeting, the Committee also requested a comparison of
the assumptions used by Baker, Newman s Noyes to develop their
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cost figures and the revised scenario developed by staff. Don
Gross went over these comparisons with the Committee add answered
questions to clarify this information.
Charlie Bickel asked how the CNF's rates compare to other nursing
homes in the area? Don answered that there are two levels Of
care. Due is the skilled care and the other is regular nursing
care. Skilled care rates are determined by Medicare. Nearly
everyone in a skilled care unit is being paid by Medicare. The
rates are such that the room rate is not so significant and as
such, the rate per day at the facility gets depends upon what
packages or services the individual is being given. CNF is at
$137/day for semi -private and $147/day for private and these
rates are a little lower than the private facilities.
Councilor Aube asked what the operational level of the facility
s 5 years ago when there was a demand for this service? Ed
explained that the facility was operating uniformly at a 988
occupancy. Today, it is 75-808. Councilor Farnb= asked if even
with reimbursement costs being less than what is actually
charged, could the facility still break even? Ed answered yes,
because of the skilled unit and economies of scale. if the
facility was at full occupancy, it would break even or come close
to breaking even. Don explained that after the cost report is
reviewed, then it has to be audited and the state is normally
behind by that period of time.
With no further items to discuss, the meeting adjourned.