HomeMy WebLinkAbout2008-06-06 Penjajawoc Marsh / Bangor Mall Management Commission Minutes
Penjajawoc Marsh/Bangor Mall Management Commission
June 6, 2008
ATTENDANCE
(REVISED)
Commission Members:
Shep Harris Cindy DeBeck George Elliott
Lucy Quimby Jim Hinds Jackie Hewett
Marion Rudnicki Tricia Quirk Hope Brogunier
Staff:
Jim Ring Edward Barrett David Gould Paul Nicklas
Others:
Bobbi Hosmer Libby Norton
The Penjajawoc Marsh/Mall Commission met Friday, June 6, 2008 in the City Council Chambers. The
meeting was called to order at 1:00 p.m. Item number two, Election of Chair will be at July 10, 2008
meeting. The April 2, 2008 Meeting Summary was reviewed and approved, Lucy Quimby motioned,
Jim Hinds seconded.
David provided an overview of issues regarding Proposed Land Development Code Changes-
Conservation Lot, Open Space Reservations. George and Jackie asked if the Open Space Parcel may
or may not be part of a subdivision. Lucy asked if the City had an Open Space Plan and David
responded that there is a general plan included the Penjajawoc Marsh/Bangor Mall Plan. Lucy also
asked for and received an explanation of how the stipulation, “within 120 days of approval” would
work out in practice. Shep asked about the differing requirements for Open Space Parcel versus
parcels to be accepted for Land Banking. The group agreed that the differing requirements were
appropriate. Hope asked why an Open Space Parcel didn’t require “conservation value”. The
response to that question was that there may be other desirable uses besides conservation. The
Commission then reviewed the proposed Open Space Reservation Ordinance and Jackie questioned
why we were not proposing to allow the acquisition of land on a separate land parcel as open space.
That is a more complex issue and we agreed to take it up at a later time. Lucy and Tricia motioned
to recommend consideration and review by the Planning Board.
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There was discussion of future tasks and focus on activities of the Commission. Shep asked for
general feedback on the process. Jackie raised the question about whether the checklist and extent
of information for review was/is too broad. Cindy stated she thought that the requirements imposed
on Jim Parker’s project - Molly Lane Extension - were excessive and Jackie responded that the
Commission was trying to address potential conflicts of interest. Lucy stated she wanted to be sure
of consistent and formal provision of the Penjajawoc Marsh/Bangor Mall Commission comments and
recommendations to the Planning Board. Consensus was that these issues should be revisited soon.
Lucy asked how TIF dollars will work. Ed outlined how it will work for the one Home Depot TIF now
established. He will check on whether TIF dollars can be outside of the overlay area. Marion asked
about TIF dollars for roads; the response was no, dollars for roads would come from the Mall Area
Impact Fee. Hope asked about how the Watershed Management Plan will be implemented. Ed
provided a brief outline. Lucy spoke about the challenge of implementing our mandate to provide
management plan when we don’t own/control the land. Hope also asked about vernal pool mapping.
Shep commented about how all vernal pools are not significant and it can be useful for a property
owner to have that information. Jackie offered some thoughts and had the following questions about
future tasks, etc.: 1) Should this group start working on grants? 2) Could an overlook be created at
Home Depot? Shep answered that he had tried to interest the owners with no success. 3) Should
the Commission start talking more with landowners? 4) Should the Commission review Ordinances
that were changed to see if they were effective? 5) Should we work on developing an access plan?
George mentioned the Trust for Public Land presentation and need to develop an overall “vision” for
the area. Ed outlined the Bangor Trails effort, TPL, other grants to acquire, and discussion about how
to measure landowner interest. Cindy and Tricia spoke about landowners waiting for a developer to
come along and pay big dollars for mitigation versus spending TIF dollars.
Next meeting will be July 10, 2008 @ 1:00 p.m.
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