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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1998-09-28 98-394 ORDERCOUNCIL ACTION Date: gepr,,ber 98. 1998 Item No.: 98-394 Item/Subject: Accepting City Engineees Report Relative to a Request to Disconfinue a Portion of Boyd Street Between State Street and York Stmt. Responsible Department: Engineering Commentary: As the Council will recall, the City has received a request from @e Phillips -Strickland Home to consider discontinuing a portion of Boyd Street between State Street and York Street, in order to feeilitabe a proposed expansion project. In consideration of the request' Council Order 98-318, passed on July 27, 1998 directed the City Engincer to begin the discontinuance process, and report his findings back to the Council for further action. Attached is a written report by the City Engineer regarding Us matter, wldeb includes a recommendation that Boyd Street not be discontinued. This Council Order, if approved would accept the City Engineers report and rewmmendation, and would deny the request for discontinuance. � b eyarfmuvH¢oS manager's Comments: w,,,, M; 4 p.�r+��a1.1.d�po-tslJ-t ��"�T"rf�au�afek�pp"""' tloa gird; °i• "9 "�3ry •' /^" J I �6{1.Ck1 l�lA/8rt W t�^'t 1 � � �1 n s lkw6 KPA F`dW au{x�j•9,d�„d� tio���t• "�`�(.r. ks�iNw�� Ciry Mamge. Associated Information: p f.. ,wd a.y/„�y,�f n,laaaio-T Budget Approval: Anar¢e Dllecla' Legal Approval: aysarco-w Intro ced For: T>QPassage El First Beading ❑ Referral Page 98-318 98-394 Assigned to Councpor Baldacci July 27, 1998 CITY OF BANGOR (TITLE.) of a Por_{i_o_u of Boyd Street Between State, Street and York Street BY the City Courad of Na Cita OfB41410r: ORDERED, THAT WHEREAS, the Phillips -Strickland home is considering an expansion of its facilities and WHEREAS, the City of Banger has received a request to discontinue a portion of Boyd Strcet between Sm Street and York Street to facilitate the proposed expansion; and WHEREAS, the continued use of said portion of Boyd Street is not considered necessary to serve the public need; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDERED, THAT the City Engineer, aping for and on behalf of the Municipal Officers according to law, be and hereby is authorized and directed to begin the process of the discontinuance of a portion of Boyd Street beginning at the northerly line of York Street and extending approximately 180 feet in a northerly direction. Meaning and intending to include a portion of the 40 foot right-of-way of Boyd Street between Sam Street and York Street accepted as a public way by the City of Bangor on October 24, 1836; and he it fwther ORDERED, THAT the City Engineer, in accordance with the provisions of 23 M.R.S.A. § 3026, proceed to give best practicable notice to all shading property owners and to Ne Planning Board of the hnention of said Municipal Officers to discontinue and vacate said right-of-way, and make a written retain of said proceedings, together with a list of possible damages as a result of said discontinuance, and report his Endings to the City Council for further action. 98-396 Anlgmdto CowNor 'prier September 28, 1998 e CITY OF BANGOR /� axepting City Eugweer's Report Relative to a Raised as Mennonite a (TITLE) (DrileX PoNwn of Boyd Street Between State Street and York street Vii t......_... ........ _._ By lids 0aw Counsel Of As MY MBelgian. ORDERED, TEAT WHEREAS, the City of Bangor has received a request w discontinue a portion of Boyd Shat between State Strep and York Sheet, and; WHEREAS, Council Order 98-318 passed Judy 27, 1998 directed the City Engineer to begin the discontinuance process in accordance with 23 M.R.S.A. § 3026, and report his findings to the City Council for further action, and; WHEREAS, the City Engineer has provided best practicable notice to interested parties as prescribed by law and prepared a written report of his findings; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDERED, that the attached report of the City Engineer relative to the regaest for discontinuance of a portion of Boyd Shah between State Sheet and York Spat be and hereby accepted; and BE IT FURTHER ORDERED THAT ALL OF BOYD STREET REMAIN A PUBLIC WAY. Motion for Passage Made and seconded Vote on Conflict for Councilor Farn- ham: 6 yes, t abstaining, 2 absent Councilors voting yes: Aube, Baldacci, Crowley, Palmer, Tyler S Woodcock Councilors absent: Leen d Putman Vote on Conflict for Councilor Baldacci: 4 yes, Ino, 2 abstaining, 2 absent Councilors voting n Crovlay, Councilors abstaining: Farnham 6 Baldacci Councilors absent Lean 6 Rohman Nelson Durgin, Executive Director of Phillips-. Strickland Nouse, requested that this item be tabled until the next regularly scheduled Council meeting Motion to Refer to Municipal Operations Committee Made 6 seconded Motion Passed Tabled and referred el - i i Motion for Passage Made and Seconded Councilors Baldacci, Farnham S Bofiman abstained from discussion and vote due to previously estab- lished conflict. Motion to Indefinite- ly Postpone Made and Seconded. Motion for Passage Made withdrawn Indefinitely Postponed CITY CL}'BR 99-394 ORDER Title, Accepting City Engineer' Report Relative to a Request to Discontinues Portion of Boyd Street Between State and ToryNereee.......................... ..... �/�.... �.... �.............`...... ^'.y.'........ C.Ge/ at, U. r� Resigned to comcilman 98-394 CITV o MAINE """Rocco STREET eAxaoa, uaxE ww� ENGINEERING DEPAUMENT iEl.¢mwO.wM Jan! 0, Fnggl P.E. FAX201945 "O LM EnglnseNOincloi of Palate Services SePtaabcr 10, 1998 NOTICE: PROPOSED DISCONTINUANCE OF A PORTION OF BOYD STREET Dear Interested Party I am writing to notify Rimming property and business owners and utility companies that the City of Bangor is considering discontinuance of a portion of Boyd Street. The portion under consideration would start at the candidly line of York Street and extend approximately 180 feet in a northerly direction toward State Street. This when is being contemplated at Use request of the PtWlipsStrickland House, which is considering a future expansion project. I will be holding a public hearing relative to this ruiner in dee third Boor conference room at City Hall, 73 Harlow Street, on Friday, September 18, 1999 at 10:00 A.M. E.D.T. Enclosed is a copy of a recent Council Order directing the City Engineer to begin the necessary actions to accomplish the proposed discontinuance and a copy of the formal public notice. The public hearing is the first step in the discontinuance process. At the hearing, I will cabins the proposal in lumber detail and explain the additional steps in the Forces for discontinuing a public way. I would encourage you to attend neat Friday's public hearing if at all possible, as it provides an opportunity for you to offer comment and input relative to the proposed action. Your input will be considered in developing my recommendation to the City Council for final nation an this matter. In the meaation, please feel floe to contact me at 945-4400, ext 200 if you have any questions. uerel, IT times D. Ring, P.E. Cityfing ear 98-394 PUBLIC NOTICE PROPOSED DISCONTINI BOYDSTREET Notice is hereby given that in pursuance ofCity Council Order No. 98-318 passed July 27, 1998 directing the City Engineer to discontinue the portion of Boyd Street beginning at the northerly line of York Street and extending approximamly 180 feet in a wrthedy direction, the City Engineer will hold a public meeting on Friday, September 18, 1998 at 10:00 A.M. E.D.T. in the third floor conference room, City Hall, 73 Harlow Street, Bangor, Maine to consider discontinuance of said portion of said street and determine the damages or benefits any person will stamen by reason thereof and apportion such damages or benefits, if any, according to law, upon the lots or parcels of land damaged or benefited by such discontinuance. Notice is hereby given to all persons interested in the premises to appear at the above mentioned time and place of meeting, if they we now thin and there to be heard upon the subject. James D. Ring City Engineer CityofBangor, Me. 98-394 CITY ENGINEERS REPORT DISCONTINUANCE OF A PORTION OF BOYD STREET September 23, 1998 CITY OF BANGOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL Council Order 98-318, passed July 27, 1998 directed the City Engineer In begin the process of the discontinuance of a portion of Boyd Street between State Street and York Street as a public way. The order also directed the City Engineer to provide best pr odicable notice in accordance with the provisions of 23 M.R-S.A § 3026 to interested parties and to report his findings to the City Council for furWer action. This action ores ordered by a request from due Pldllips-Strickland Home to discontinue a portion of Boyd Street to facilitate our expansion of its facilities. The specific request is to discontinue a portion of the 40 foot wide Boyd Street right -of way between State Street and York Street accepted as a public cony, by the City of Bangor on October 24, 1836; said portion beginning at the northerly line of York Street and exceeding 180 feet in a motherly direction. funereal m Council Order 98-318 the City Engineer has provided best practicable notice consistent with 23 M.R.S.A. § 3026 as follows: Public notices of proposed disconrinrance of Boyd Street: • Posted on bulletin board at City Hall. • Posted on utility pole near the mnhwesfuly comer of the intersection of Boyd Sheet, State Street and Fared Avemre. • Posted on utility pole near the northeasterly ruiner of the intersection of Boyd Street and York Street • Publication in the Bangor Daily News. • Mailing ofnoticesto all chatting property owners on Boyd Street Copies of the above notifications we ahached. In accordance with the above notifications, the City Engineer held a public hearing on Friday September 18, 1998 at Bangor City Hall to outline the proposed discontinuance action and to receive input from interested parties. Attached is the attendance list and a verbatim transcript of the heating. 98-396 traRc information wept the second week is indicative of heads but not 100%conclusive intent we did have some people slip Brough. The results oftlmse comes do show some shifts in traffic as you probably would guess. I do have, [hese are summaries, I'll distribute them around, met k dofsummmizewhatthe,wla weer getbeimpwNwbe. Basically itisasummaryof what appears to be the impact based upon the counts done on the two successive weeks and these are expressed in tams of percentages. On that block of Essex Street between York and State, we projected a is almost W1* increase, Adam Street a little over 55% income; Boyd Stress—the black between State and York, the one we are considering here with this discomtimuanee— understandablyareduction. That still includes the people that are slipping through. Brown Street, a 900A mousse; Newbury Street was interesting, the block between State and York only show 3 almost 4%incrom whereas the lower block firm York down m Hancock showed about a15%increase. Parkview Avenueslmweda25%incre aWForest Aveaueabouta4% because. Sobasedonthecoums,teat'sw wehaveintennsofprojoMdlmpn ifitwere closed. Having said that, the fact that we bad a few people slipping trough, these numbers are not absolutely certain. Obviously with a section of Boyd Stuart. the Iowa portion of that block discontinued, there would no longer be at that route from flue light at State down to Hancock. I think dies quite obvious; depending on yon perspective, it is seen as either a positive or a negative. Others not sitting signs table probably have views on duet as well. Theotberthingis lamas of access, Imentioned sonifflealowaseemmisdiscommuediherewould have to has provision made for atum armed. There would still be access maintained through the parking lot (stepped away frommic to map/drewing-not audible). TeaeareamenberofpublicuddWes that are located in Boyd Streit including the discontinued section. There we overhead electrical, telephone, water main, sewer lines and storm drains. If Us goes through and Philips -Strickland proceeds with tbeir project, obviously the building right in die middle of these utilities would have to be relocated and I believe, I sea Greg Reed here from flue Water Distda, has shmarly had some discussions; and also Don Cota from the Hydro about possible relocation routes. It app em that relocation is not a problem and them is obviously an expense involved but in cases like fins the cost ofroloeation would not be a public expense but at the expense of the project. sewer line? Ring: Yes, it would have be be relocated and we have m look at potential routes to do and so physically those aren't problems but the point is that public utilities would have to be maintained. The other thing in tho event of discontinuance and again this is as provided by state statute the form of right of way of my way discontinued and in this me (inaudible) the Boyd Strearlght ofway here, upon diwommuaMe of apuble; right ofway the owners (inaudible) of that former right of way revert to the abutters. Usually with different abutters on either side (inaudible) half ofthe right ofway back to the center line ofthe mad and in this case on both sides the property is owned by Phillips -Strickland se they would end W the (inaudible) bytherightofway. Again, tbaz is a general overview of the high points of what happens. At this point with respect to what I've hiked about thus far, I'd like to hear any questions you may have about what is being proposed. I would ask that you speak one m afire and state your name, address or musical. We'll have another opportunity here in aminute m comment either for or against. James Smith, St. John's Catholic Church: is there any indication of increased tratbe on Brown whether it toms right or left at York Street and proceeds down Boyd or Newbury? Ring: I don't; it appears, Ne got actual volume courts here which I didn't distribute, but it appears it is anequalsplit. I indicated ta the summary here that there was mare ofm imPacc on Newbury east of --the block from York down o Hancock w it appears that traffic that maybe going four Stale down In York are taking either Adams or Brown Strcet instead of Boyd and than much ofthal, or a portion of that, has been going over to that lower black ofNewbuy Street. Smith: So the preponderance of traffic thafs diverted onto Brown tums left at York, goes Newbury and tuns right and goes down to the light? Ring: I don't have the exact numbers; we put out a dozen counters... Smith: Is there my difference in the volume of traffic going up as opposed to going down? In other words, are people, do people seem to be maintaining the same routine oftuming left at Boyd offHarvuck reaching coming light and then going W Brown? Is them a difference between the traffic going W and down and are there differences in traffic patterns? Robert Frank: if could add here, do these numbers show a change o the existing strcet and the proposed before and after changes; is there a magnitude, a number, some of these have maybe two trips and would double if they had two more.... what's the significance.... Ring: If I can deal with these separate but related, with respect to the courts I don't have numbers on individual tumag movements. We could make this a three month study but observations during the period of time the counters were out both representatives from BACFS that actually did the counts and myself were out and I didn't see amarked tendency to go one way or another. I don't really have conclusive information on that. With respect to Rob's question, I do have the individual counts and again IYe looked at them as weekly totals. Is there a particular street? Frank: I believe it would be the Adams and Brown Spaces. Ring: Okay, on Atlanta the weekly total when the couriers were out and it was Out blocked off, was about 4,169 vehicles. I had to make an adjustment here and other by o confuse someone I cram provide than into o you, Rob, but after it was closed it appears the oral would go from 4,169 to 6,482 - 55.48% increase. On Broom Street, the weekly total prior m the closing Was a total of 2,014vehicles. After the closing, it appears that 5,541, a 90,15% increase George Weatherby, W.C. Weatherby and Sons: Amuttyou supposed o go (inaudible) culde am._. (inaudible) Ring: This is maroldtectuml readmgofthebuilding;I've haddiscussions withthe architectonly o the extent, again, the City is nut taking aposition for or against at this Point, but try o identify the issues and made the architect aware that a provision will have to be made; it isn't shown bare 98-394 but it will have to be done Fruits: We would have to accommodate that on the plan Ring That is something we could absolutely require. Wally Laquaha, River City Associates: Are there any numbers that indirom what the impact will be on lower Boyd Street? Ring: Idoa't have wants on that at this point. Again, we Med to pick up the streets, with the number of counters. the strcets we had that we thought the impacts would be the groomer m. I wouldn't, although I don't have actual counts, I wouldnt think the impact would be all that greet. Laqualia: That is of grant concern to us; if you don't have numbers, (Maudible).... Ring: Gould you maybe expand on that as far us your particular concem? Iaqualia: I don't know ifit's going to increase traffic there; we have a large parking Wt there sal don't know whatthe flows are goingto be. Ring: Icon'tseemywaythatitwouldincreasehuffc;loo Wdthinktheimpactswouldbea reduction of traffic because clearly Boyd Street now curies, in my view m least. caries a fair degree of through traffic from State Sheet at the way down to Hancock and vice verse with this proposed discontinuance in that upper block Chet would no longer be a direct thru route. So it would seem a person, a logical person, if they can't do that and that was the movement they wanted to do, they either pick up at Newbury, or may go all the way up foam Hancock to York and than pick up one of the other aide streets which I think is indicated on the counts of the side streets. Bullcan'tsee, and again Us ismyopinion, that thiswouldbevery likelyto increase traffic on that lower block of Boyd; I ti inIc it would increase it. Nelson Durgin, Phillips -Strickland: I had a question on the technical aspects of the raw data which you apparently, the street was not closed in (inaudible) and in the kllowiog week the tatual raw data shows about a 10,000 car reduction to those two weeks but extrapolating that you have applied the bettor W bring the second week back up to the scale. Why was that? Ring: Well, again, when you do comparative courts, and speaking generally now, m an area and were not looking 9just one or two streets, we looked at several blocks in proximity to each other, we tried ideally to do them in weeks that are similar as possible; to other words, weeks But dont have holidays or special wants; bar nonetheless you still have some variations. What Mr. Durgin is talking about, I've got a weekly total of all the course taken on all the streets Wet we counted. The first wank was 75,000 aMthe second weak was about 66,000. I cant explain that difkrence although it's possible there may have been some problems with the counters. I don't know. But Weonlywayinmchmmwhmyoubaveadiscrepmcylikefia youhavetodoa comparison on an equal basis. So you take the high week and adjust it to match the total weekly assuming, the basic assumption here is that the total volume of traffic in absence of special 98-394 events or circumstances should be about the sane. So m compare, we adjusted the totals so that they would be comparable. In the second week, we increased those by 13% to reflect a tomb number equal to the trafirc on the tied week. We could have done it the other way around and reduced die first, but that is typical of what is done. Again, this is not an exact science mut we felt it was impotmnt m get some information and try to receive some tresis bore. Does that answer you question? Durgin: Yes Greg Reed,Bangor Wats District WewouldhavetorernoveaseetionofBoyd SlreetamMe that we would have to abandon. That would be part of the project and No spoken m???in the past on this but there are also potentially some services that with a couple of the buildings on either side of Boyd Street that would need in be relocated back OW onto the Seem StreH to avoid water quality problems in that section. We went to make sure that's pat of the project. Ring: ThatlthiNc is the District's cell. We don't, l deal more drecey with the sewerutility and inthatcmewe'veroundamutemd Pllshowyouonthepmn...(inaudible) IneithercasetM district will lookout birdie interests of both the utility and the customers regarding water quality and pressure issues --that's your call but if its cut off that would be my recommendation. Laquima: Is there any problem with that affecting our sprinkler system on Hancock Pmce, comer ofHenmck and Boyd? That main in be cut off? The Terraces is out ... Laqualia: We are across the street from The Termites. Ring: (inaudible) an area over lues.. humap) Read: Ifwe discontinued rather than rerouted, there should be ne impact Yom water comes down below and you shouldnt be impacted. Ring: Other question? (tape changed) his is an opportunity for comments Those who wish to commeru, l emptasiu this is you that oppommmy rather than you but W comment because it will be considered further by the Council and you will be notified. First if we could heir from anyone who wishes re speak in favor of the proposed discontinuance. We are not talking about the Plulips-Strickland project per se although that's the reason this is being considered, just want to talk about the proposed discontinuance of that lower 180 ft. of Boyd Street north of York. Nelson Omgin: We have proposed the discontinuance in order to move into the project which is shown on the board; Rob Frank, architect, is here. (Durgin stepping over the map -(inaudible). We own the property on both sides and we have aproposal to add 32 congregate apattmevm in this ares which would add on to the Phillips -Strickland House. By going a cress Boyd Street, and using (inaudible) on the map, the most ecommical cost to build on that piece of property it would change our main entrance from Boyd Street to bee connecting onto our existing facility. 98-394 This building would be used for elderly fobs who are more able to take care of themselves, one and two bedroom apamneda and (inaudible) the typical elderly where they get some services (inaudible). When we looked atom wave piece ofpmperty, the most appropriate way to do this is by crossing Boyd Street and using the property on both sides. We did conal the City, Bangor Water, Bangor Hydro and sewer people prior to getting flys far with design. The design is on hold until we hear a response from our request to close Boyd Strt but this is the primary reason we are asking m do that. Rohm Frank: tine of the reasons is, as Nelson said with the existing facilities here to (inaudible) dila building and its location allows continuum of service through to the new expansion both fust and second floor levels, construction work built up, with a 36 space parking la - hopefu ly will put it up above the existing budding (inaudible) essentially two separate buildings simply attached to the walkway more able to provide the nursing and other staff(maudible) acceptable access. Easier when it is all on the sane grade. Ring: I wart to emphasize at this point the City bas no position on the discontinuance. That will occur later. For the record, Rob, there are other possibilities but if f understand you and W. lNrgin correctly that the layout would not he as good a utilization between the new uses and wwfs existing. Frank: Corr t. Rivg: Anymeelselikemspwkforthediscontinumce? Okay. Anyone who would like to speak against the proposed discontinuance? Again, we are not talking about the expansion project but the discontinuance itself. Dick Soucy, Frank's Bake Shop: I have some concerns as a taxpayer (inaudible) ...waterfront all Ne way to Stillwdwr ....I would Trot like to see that remove, seems from those streets all the way through.. (inaudible) Looking at your volume incomes on Boyd Sheet, I mesa Brown Street a 90hiy as a business owners have apmblem with that because I don't believe Brown Stmet can handle the traffic to make up what Boyd Street utas care of, as a business owner of Frank's Bake Shop, we have congesting problems coming up and parking on both sides and coming back on Slam Strt (mandate) (inaudible) -there is congestion there and a lot of comments from people that are coming from.... we knew that would happen and I diM4 thiNr it "old be as evident m it was, I was surprised to see the Nttease on that street and that bothers me. The maw tang is going all the way througb,just the City alone,(imudible). Asthepropertygocadm8the City maintain that drive or abutting property owners? Because ofthe discontinuance going to make access from those two ahts to mypmpe y, I cm sm Nat's probably going to in=ure... (inaudible) As far an the program, I think you have a beautiful program there; not going to say that elderly housing is Out necessary but Jim Ming has mentioned plans b advance your facility and there really is two different facilities there. Two differed programs. One is not the same as the other. I gulls I have ahard time laving aproject all set up -street is going to W clmd Off - mdwhy,altenmtimplan. YouNegotpropertyonbothsideswhynotmethepropertymboth sides that allow that road to stay there because they are separate and not the score. It's nice 0 haven ?fromonemtheoNerbutagdnthowe progrmsmeveryseparate. Obviously Here 98-394 is a war effective advantage. If wanted to build across the street, if we were all doing that we would not have scrubs in Bangor. Maybe other streets wouldn't be a problem a dl wouldit worry about but I do worry about Ws street because it is all the way from the waterfront to Stillwater. Because it is a light street, (inaudible) business alone I don't want to divert that traffic elsewhere because the front of my business why should I now take away from my business and give In yours. That's a fact oflife. l need to grow an and l grow because the vehicles pass by my property and stop. To dived that to the other side, the fnatration well l coat get in so PO just go down the street. There are some concerns here regarding my business aM use of the property. (mandible) I'm not disagreeing with the project but (inaudible) Icing: But again the two rte related because the project is responsible for the natural bra if the project moves forward in whatever vein lure will be a site plan approval process that is a mine appropriate venue to talk about the pros and cans of the projar I undemland your comments. One thing that I usually dontjust respond to comments but I guess I will respond to a question you raised that I may have neglected In mention and Oat was with regard to the maintenance of the ramming portion of the street (inaudible) and when is proposed is discontinuing the lower t80 tt I did mention earlier for that portion it would still remain a provision for aman =and.I dont think (inaudible) but the proposal under consideration would be only that portion. The upper section would remain apublic way with a provision for atom around. Would it be appropriate to ask a question which is strictly related to traffic? Ring. Yes, go ahead. Do you have a feel for what percentage of your business is drive by versus ???, in other words how many are oriented m that location or how many are completely drive by? Soucy Wink. drive by certainly pros you where you want m be. Obviously we have orders. But drive by is a profit that(mandible). People drive by and then call back later. That's our fear. We don't doubt that our business will decrease .... (mandible) But it won't be decrease.... 50.50 that you would lose? gouty: Not only will it decrease I think the congestion on Brown Street will causeproblems. If I were the Cityl would etimhute parking on (�ble). Ring: Asepammissue. Idontmean... Laqualia: I'd like to go on record fust ofall wejust received a notice yesterday, Jim was kind enough to deliver the information to us, w we havent had a lin of time an really think about it and junk at the area to see how much of an impact I would say that our building notwithstanding I was kind of surprised that streets can be discontinued. I've never heard actually OfsheCta being discontinued so that someone could build a building. I wonderifthis is acommon pmetiw a something very unusual. My coucem with our property is that we really have to look at traffic Flow what our op anon is, bow much it will impact traffic even on Barrack Secret, where people exiting our building now all decide to go down on Hancock Street and cause congestion and will get complaints from my [¢amts. We havent had a lot of mine to give that much thought. Ring: Juseaavmment. As l indicatedeadierwehadmailedout noticesand as Wally indicated mommb ago he did not receive his until yesterday because it had the wrong address. So it lied been fairly abort notice afong with one other party. That was beyond our crawol. As far as whether Nis is a common practice, usually we get one ayear, two a year, sometimes none in a year. Again, the City is not advocating for or against at Nis point. We received arequest and we me going to through the process ofconsidering the remoter and getting public input Irsnot uMeard op, it's not something we do all the time but this a legftimme remutee and the Council felt we needed to go through Neprocessto get information and input before taking actio. The action will be by the Council and you will be notified of that date. Anyone else? James Smith? We're not opposed at all, in fact, we believe the facility is going to be a hem utim s addition in the community and the city. observations from our vantage point in the rectory area in Boyd and Yak, we are concerned we are at a semi bypass in the roadblock on Boyd. Ithink our issues basically revolves around traffic and pedestrian crossing. Some half dozen times amonth or so, a group ofchildcm pass from travel between the chinch and the school and given the traffic volume on Store Street its important Nat some sort ofmnholled pedestrian crossing be maintained. That would obviously be something the City would consider. We would expect traffic increase as the vicinity ofThe Coffee Pot to increase and that added congestion would also I think merit a review oftrufAc order control. A lot ofpcople across State Streerto germ The Coffee Pot Afannumberofchildnnmedroppedoffon StaleSV by parents. We can take cue of that but nonetheless fere would be the added congestion. Stopping at stop signs is not a part of the Bangor culture. And if its expected traffic on Brown particularly during the Saturday and Sunday morning and aftemoon periods, during 5merals and other events there is acnecan dere people will not stop at Brown but will simply continue on through. Again I think this world merit some increased inspection and review. I might also suggest ihxr while that review is being conducted that there are several intersections in Nat area where it is very difficult to see but when you come to that mursectioa and I thick largely because the no parking signs ore too close to the icemectiou. It emomages people creeping into the intersection and on those narrow strats iecan be Nsastrous. Bmwn dSmtemevery Nfficultwsa,Bmw and York, Newbury, and York and Newbury, and State during high traffic periods. Moving those backwards might enhance safety. Don Kimball, Terraces Apts: I have similar concerns about traffic and I dunk it has been well stated. Tenants at Terraces have several options of leaving making access to Stale Sheet but access to State is difficult in busyperiods. Ifyou ere going right, whamyou come up Essex, Adams, currently Boyd offers going either way without because you get alight, and obviously Bmwn h ret m option mostpeople navel over Newbury and up iftraveling toward EMMC. People ale accustomed to using Boyd Street as a dam sheet making access to Stillwater Avenue andthe Mail to avoid trafficby ENUvIC andfiutherupto Hogan Road I'maotgoingtoreiterete what's been spokenabout but I do have contents foruur residents and access wood from The Tertsces. We have 104 apartments and I use Store Shat u a(inaudible).... Certainly Philfips- 98-394 Strickland is a nice neighbor end well recognized in the community. Alot of my ter mats eventually make it to Phillips-SMckiand. l certainly appreciate the facility. His well maintained. Cliff Page, Phillips -Strickland House: Ijust ended up 21 yearn urvork down there. I fi gl one bad thing is that it is usually similar to the Indianapolis Speedway. 65-70 mph coming down hill. I know good and bad about both sides but one thing we have been constantly calling the police in the past because..... coming down over the hill. Ring: Very fiequently we hear problems regarding amount of traffic, speed, hdl rolling stop as see it; for ma much of that The police tryto do the best they can but ifs a problem not only in Berg n. I understand and appreciate the comment Anyone who has not signed up noting sheet. As I said, I will be considering your commands It has been very helpful and I appreciate your taking the time to come here. This will be considered by the Council in terns of whether to actually approve the request for discontinuance or not That will be another opportunity kr people to make comments regarding the proposed discontinuance. It most likely will be at the next Council moving on September 28th. Everyone here plus those abutters not present will receive anotice of that date. Ijust wanted you to be aware. I think it is an important issue and the project has a lot of merit. I think there ere some very legitimate concems many of which have been voiced about tlds. I will report dsese to the Council for their fuller consideration. Again, youwilt have anotheropportunity to speak at that time. In the meantime, inthe next few days, if you have further questions, please feel fice to contictme. Again, pro Jim Ring, City Engineer. My phone number is 9454400, ext 201. Thank you all very much. 98-394 The proposed discontinuance would have an impact on "Me circulation in the Boyd Street ores Prior to issuing public notices and holding a public hearing, the City Engineer felt it would be useful to obtain traffic counts m simulate the effects of discomiwing Boyd Street between State Street and York Street. Accordingly, eight traffic counters were placed on Boyd Street end adjacent streets. For a one week period between 8/12/98 and 8/18/98 traffic comms were recorded. On 8/19/98 temporary barricades were placed at each end of the block of Boyd Street between Stare Street and York Street with signs indicating "CLOS® TO THROUGH TRAFFIC" to simulate the proposed discontinuance. Traffic counts were recorded for as additional week from 8/19/98 fare 8/2S/98. It was necessary to allow enough room by the barricades for IoW traffic to access existing parking lots on Boyd Sheet. Unfortunately, many Nm vehicles hecurne aware that they could get past the barricades and ignored the si®is. So the courts do not totally project the full impacts of the proposed discontinuance. I do believe that the does illustrates the likely trends, however. Attached to this report we tables that summarize the traffic wants at each location recorded. The data indicates that the largest impacts world likely be a shift of haffic traveling between State Street and York Sheet from Boyd Street to Adams Street and Brown Street, and Essex Street to a lesser extent. It is likely that additional traffic would also be displaced to other nearby parallel streets, It should be noted that the streets which would appear m he most affected by the proposed diswmiauaace are predominantly residential in nature. After thorough review of the facts and data pertinent to the proposed discontinuance, and consideration of public input received to date. I offer the following considerations: 1. The combination of Boyd Street and Forest Avenue provide Ne only continuous route from Hancock Street to Stillwater Avenue between Essen Street and Birch Street. 2. The intersection of Boyd Street and Forest Avenue with State Street is the early signalized intersection on State Street between Broadway mW Harreock Street. The signal facilitates safer left arms onto State Street data at other interaction location. 3. The proposed discontinuance would shift traffic to residential sheets ant create more taming movement conflicts. 4. The Phillips -Strickland Home has sufficient land to accomplish its proposed expansion project with other layout altematives which would not require discontinuance of a public way. (Alternative layouts could be more expansive to develop). 5. The proposed discontinuance could negatively impact some existing businesses in the immediate vicinity. Aldsough rhe proposed discontinuance of a portion of Boyd Street would se ingly facilitate the Phillips -Strickland home's proposed "pension, it is my opinion that the overall public interest is better served by retaining a public way which provides greater efficiency, convenience, and safety m the traveling public. These benefits will become even more significant as tragic volumes increase in the future. Accordingly, it is my mcommeudation that the discontinuance of a portion of Boyd Street between State Street and Ymk Street not be approved, and that Boyd Sneet remain a public way, in its entirety. Bespectfirlly SuQbmittd Imes D. Ring, P.E. Engineer September 18,1998 Essex Sheet Adams Street Boyd Sheet Brown Street Newbury (PO Smte) Newbuy(&O)Bey4)Y mK Pmkview Avenue Forest Avenue Wel fi lUT.1OAWROet0 +18.74% +55AS% - 56.61% +90.15% + 3+T % + 15.42% +25.14% + 3.90 98-394 Boyd Street Closure Summary Table DOW Essex Adams Boyd Brown Newbury EO State Newbury EO Boyd Parkview Forest 11011158 Tee 1005 709 3126 491 2526 954 815 2881 08/12198 eyed 1110 615 3058 464 2540 1014 826 2888 0811358 Thu 1167 %1 3365 458 2718 1048 BOB 3253 n wcEt«y 08/1458 Fa 1243n 7120 3348n 5011 19)8 M 10]8 855 W 3143 OBI1598 Sal 812n 541u 18264 3496- 1103 699 553, 1811 m 98/18198 Sun 788r 366'1 1853__^f 331" 1099— 848 508H ln303� T>•j4 5 0811758 Mon 1022 578 2110 359 1392 1152 803 3022 Ooica 0811098 TW 1124 886 2059 452 1569 ID36 Big 2885 �R> 08119198 Wes 1147 933 1143 894 1821 1036 024 2786 0820198 Thu 1213 f1 965 1492 9D] 1905 11pp 1133 ^ 811 X�2n5o\P�3 yl 0821198 Fn 1251 m� 943 1517 (D 035 B,n 1917 0.; 1156 00 v9 992 Q%284]m 0822/98 Sat 9" 633P�3, 971 � f 559��pp } 1201 t4 ]]6 A P R8 h�20]0 00123198 Sun ]892.10 615Ny 4 409 4624)N1 1111 ri 804 � 500 V 145]— 082498 Man 1120 V 904 iJ 207 V 7W'A 6 1776 '2J 1058 U 852 N�2815 LJ �'1'jl DOrj, 08125498 Tues J19A698 746 412 1580 1005 831 2]39 wC'+=tc2.� 65 gc�b AoauSFh�f' °F �^-4� week, e.�u w, 0Y 1.+38q Mu�Twez. = C J T64nnOfl.TXEOE YM L9 d.IAT EEXEGX' S'fATFVI0Elial 0.'it]E60 fPX lq OO&IdB45 EW M-0 MAn �EWISING IXVOkE eM STATEMENT CITY OF PURCHASING BANONEPT flamgQC AWIP Q11To 73 HARLOW ST P.O. Box 1329 BANGOR HE 04401 Bangor, ME. 04402-1329 TO NOTIFY US ABOUT BMLING ERRORS OR TO REQUEST TEAR SHEETS CALL (207) 990.8282. STATEMENT OF ACCOUNT. M orPAT. ... .,....11 5Hf' Iffinn, .1 al asGon.MArairl .�En inns"39nitpiv¢w�.E�:l�� x°::41.0885 ,EEoo.�„�. MU 941-0885 . 00 X%0MIp1Rb RECEIVED SED ] 6 tES3 SALANC FORWA .00 191598 428217 LEGAL 990512—BGYD STREET 4.00 26.75 107.00 107.0. MLIC DISCONTINUOICE sox,noden Earn, 11 It", fill in E. Ma a JOE�Tw+�7, all M wM smr MI in It 19 11, IN in a mFA V.. man.1 en iwal & It Ill n� Fall 11", an dIdlin F, In, or dwal fixodf I'd wanown win Olmll, ll OF almond muceM a. awwwo M -i in ME wVnEt ME and I'll in Midland, N� u wwg I I ACHE D. Rind For aaeyw"ME xl..ron u.. STATEMENT OF ACCOUNT. M orPAT. ... .,....11 5Hf' Iffinn, .1 al asGon.MArairl .�En inns"39nitpiv¢w�.E�:l�� x°::41.0885 ,EEoo.�„�. MU 941-0885 DO" STREET PROPOSED DISCON HARING ME 21 Boyd St. 049-080 Phillips Strickland Hosea Corp. 181 Some St 049-084 Maim Adoption Placement Service 189 Since SL 049-089 Wmthmhee W.C. & Som, Inc. 12 Boyd St. 049-090 Punks Bake Shap, Inc. 16 Boyd St 048091 Phillips Strickland House Corp. 22 Boyd St. 049-092 Phillips Str"¢kUM House Cory. 26 Boyd St. 049-093 Phillips Strfcklerad House Corp. 200 Hammk St 049-139 G& S Tatman Asinciates 210 Henmck St 049-137 Bangor City of 207 York St. 055-011 Roman Catholic Bishop ofPoHmad 207 York A. 055-011 Roman Catholic Bishop of Portland 304 Hmrcoak St 055-026 River City Realty Trust 39 Newbury St 055-043 Bangor City of Nelson Durgin Greg Reed Mucous Cannot Page Malcolm E. Jones Pon L. Kimbell Rohan M. Couturier Dick Soucy Welly La9uelia George Weallmrbce Bill Weatherka, James A. Smith Larry Brewster 189 State St. Bwkm,MB4401 199 State St. Bangor, ME 4401 21 Boyd St. Bangor, ME 4401 23 Boyd Sc Bangor, ME 4401 21 Boyd St. Bangor, MB 4401 201 Hasson Ave. Bangor ME4401 Community Development Bangor, ME 4401 207 York St. Bangor, MB 4401 St. Inhofe Church Bangor, ME 4401 Foster Burn Ar Hemessce Ed Trusrce Bangor, ME 4401 Community Development Bangor, ME 4401 BOYD STREET DISCONTINUANCE PUBLIC HEARING ATTENDANCE SWEIVE WBRC-Phillips Strickhnd 9474511 Phillips Strickland House 941-2820 Bangor Water District 9474516x37 Bangor Hyden Electric 941-6611 Phillips Strickland Bruce 941-2820 Phillips Strickland House 9477038 G& S Associates d.b.s. The Tetreces 947-6081 Riva CityAssmembas 9894968 Pranks Bake Shop 9474594 River CityAssocirtcs 98 4968 W.C. Weetherbee&Sons 945-3704 W.C. Weathertsm&Sons 945-3706 St John's Catholic Church 94b941 26 Salem Court 945-3006 T64nnOfl.TXEOE YM L9 d.IAT EEXEGX' S'fATFVI0Elial 0.'it]E60 fPX lq OO&IdB45 EW M-0 MAn �EWISING IXVOkE eM STATEMENT CITY OF PURCHASING BANONEPT flamgQC AWIP Q11To 73 HARLOW ST P.O. Box 1329 BANGOR HE 04401 Bangor, ME. 04402-1329 TO NOTIFY US ABOUT BMLING ERRORS OR TO REQUEST TEAR SHEETS CALL (207) 990.8282. STATEMENT OF ACCOUNT. M orPAT. ... .,....11 5Hf' Iffinn, .1 al asGon.MArairl .�En inns"39nitpiv¢w�.E�:l�� x°::41.0885 ,EEoo.�„�. MU 941-0885 . 00 X%0MIp1Rb RECEIVED SEP ] 6 tES3 SALANC FORWA .00 191598 428217 LEGAL 990512—BGYD STREET 4.00 26.75 107.00 107.0. MLIC DISCONTINUOICE sox,noden Earn, 11 It", fill in E. Ma a JOE�Tw+�7, all M wM smr MI in It 19 11, IN in a mFA V.. man.1 en iwal & It Ill n� Fall 11", an dIdlin F, In, or dwal fixodf I'd wanown win Olmll, ll OF almond muceM a. awwwo M -i in ME wVnEt ME and I'll in Midland, N� u wwg I I ACHE D. Rind For aaeyw"ME xl..ron u.. STATEMENT OF ACCOUNT. M orPAT. ... .,....11 5Hf' Iffinn, .1 al asGon.MArairl .�En inns"39nitpiv¢w�.E�:l�� x°::41.0885 ,EEoo.�„�. MU 941-0885 98-396 traRc information wept the second week is indicative of heads but not 100%conclusive intent we did have some people slip Brough. The results oftlmse comes do show some shifts in traffic as you probably would guess. I do have, [hese are summaries, I'll distribute them around, met k dofsummmizewhatthe,wla weer getbeimpwNwbe. Basically itisasummaryof what appears to be the impact based upon the counts done on the two successive weeks and these are expressed in tams of percentages. On that block of Essex Street between York and State, we projected a is almost W1* increase, Adam Street a little over 55% income; Boyd Stress—the black between State and York, the one we are considering here with this discomtimuanee— understandablyareduction. That still includes the people that are slipping through. Brown Street, a 900A mousse; Newbury Street was interesting, the block between State and York only show 3 almost 4%incrom whereas the lower block firm York down m Hancock showed about a15%increase. Parkview Avenueslmweda25%incre aWForest Aveaueabouta4% because. Sobasedonthecoums,teat'sw wehaveintennsofprojoMdlmpn ifitwere closed. Having said that, the fact that we bad a few people slipping trough, these numbers are not absolutely certain. Obviously with a section of Boyd Stuart. the Iowa portion of that block discontinued, there would no longer be at that route from flue light at State down to Hancock. I think dies quite obvious; depending on yon perspective, it is seen as either a positive or a negative. Others not sitting signs table probably have views on duet as well. Theotberthingis lamas of access, Imentioned sonifflealowaseemmisdiscommuediherewould have to has provision made for atum armed. There would still be access maintained through the parking lot (stepped away frommic to map/drewing-not audible). TeaeareamenberofpublicuddWes that are located in Boyd Streit including the discontinued section. There we overhead electrical, telephone, water main, sewer lines and storm drains. If Us goes through and Philips -Strickland proceeds with tbeir project, obviously the building right in die middle of these utilities would have to be relocated and I believe, I sea Greg Reed here from flue Water Distda, has shmarly had some discussions; and also Don Cota from the Hydro about possible relocation routes. It app em that relocation is not a problem and them is obviously an expense involved but in cases like fins the cost ofroloeation would not be a public expense but at the expense of the project. sewer line? Ring: Yes, it would have be be relocated and we have m look at potential routes to do and so physically those aren't problems but the point is that public utilities would have to be maintained. The other thing in tho event of discontinuance and again this is as provided by state statute the form of right of way of my way discontinued and in this me (inaudible) the Boyd Strearlght ofway here, upon diwommuaMe of apuble; right ofway the owners (inaudible) of that former right of way revert to the abutters. Usually with different abutters on either side (inaudible) half ofthe right ofway back to the center line ofthe mad and in this case on both sides the property is owned by Phillips -Strickland se they would end W the (inaudible) bytherightofway. Again, tbaz is a general overview of the high points of what happens. At this point with respect to what I've hiked about thus far, I'd like to hear any questions you may have about what is being proposed. I would ask that you speak one m afire and state your name, address or musical. We'll have another opportunity here in aminute m comment either for or against. James Smith, St. John's Catholic Church: is there any indication of increased tratbe on Brown whether it toms right or left at York Street and proceeds down Boyd or Newbury? Ring: I don't; it appears, Ne got actual volume courts here which I didn't distribute, but it appears it is anequalsplit. I indicated ta the summary here that there was mare ofm imPacc on Newbury east of --the block from York down o Hancock w it appears that traffic that maybe going four Stale down In York are taking either Adams or Brown Strcet instead of Boyd and than much ofthal, or a portion of that, has been going over to that lower black ofNewbuy Street. Smith: So the preponderance of traffic thafs diverted onto Brown tums left at York, goes Newbury and tuns right and goes down to the light? Ring: I don't have the exact numbers; we put out a dozen counters... Smith: Is there my difference in the volume of traffic going up as opposed to going down? In other words, are people, do people seem to be maintaining the same routine oftuming left at Boyd offHarvuck reaching coming light and then going W Brown? Is them a difference between the traffic going W and down and are there differences in traffic patterns? Robert Frank: if could add here, do these numbers show a change o the existing strcet and the proposed before and after changes; is there a magnitude, a number, some of these have maybe two trips and would double if they had two more.... what's the significance.... Ring: If I can deal with these separate but related, with respect to the courts I don't have numbers on individual tumag movements. We could make this a three month study but observations during the period of time the counters were out both representatives from BACFS that actually did the counts and myself were out and I didn't see amarked tendency to go one way or another. I don't really have conclusive information on that. With respect to Rob's question, I do have the individual counts and again IYe looked at them as weekly totals. Is there a particular street? Frank: I believe it would be the Adams and Brown Spaces. Ring: Okay, on Atlanta the weekly total when the couriers were out and it was Out blocked off, was about 4,169 vehicles. I had to make an adjustment here and other by o confuse someone I cram provide than into o you, Rob, but after it was closed it appears the oral would go from 4,169 to 6,482 - 55.48% increase. On Broom Street, the weekly total prior m the closing Was a total of 2,014vehicles. After the closing, it appears that 5,541, a 90,15% increase George Weatherby, W.C. Weatherby and Sons: Amuttyou supposed o go (inaudible) culde am._. (inaudible) Ring: This is maroldtectuml readmgofthebuilding;I've haddiscussions withthe architectonly o the extent, again, the City is nut taking aposition for or against at this Point, but try o identify the issues and made the architect aware that a provision will have to be made; it isn't shown bare 98-394 but it will have to be done Fruits: We would have to accommodate that on the plan Ring That is something we could absolutely require. Wally Laquaha, River City Associates: Are there any numbers that indirom what the impact will be on lower Boyd Street? Ring: Idoa't have wants on that at this point. Again, we Med to pick up the streets, with the number of counters. the strcets we had that we thought the impacts would be the groomer m. I wouldn't, although I don't have actual counts, I wouldnt think the impact would be all that greet. Laqualia: That is of grant concern to us; if you don't have numbers, (Maudible).... Ring: Gould you maybe expand on that as far us your particular concem? Iaqualia: I don't know ifit's going to increase traffic there; we have a large parking Wt there sal don't know whatthe flows are goingto be. Ring: Icon'tseemywaythatitwouldincreasehuffc;loo Wdthinktheimpactswouldbea reduction of traffic because clearly Boyd Street now curies, in my view m least. caries a fair degree of through traffic from State Sheet at the way down to Hancock and vice verse with this proposed discontinuance in that upper block Chet would no longer be a direct thru route. So it would seem a person, a logical person, if they can't do that and that was the movement they wanted to do, they either pick up at Newbury, or may go all the way up foam Hancock to York and than pick up one of the other aide streets which I think is indicated on the counts of the side streets. Bullcan'tsee, and again Us ismyopinion, that thiswouldbevery likelyto increase traffic on that lower block of Boyd; I ti inIc it would increase it. Nelson Durgin, Phillips -Strickland: I had a question on the technical aspects of the raw data which you apparently, the street was not closed in (inaudible) and in the kllowiog week the tatual raw data shows about a 10,000 car reduction to those two weeks but extrapolating that you have applied the bettor W bring the second week back up to the scale. Why was that? Ring: Well, again, when you do comparative courts, and speaking generally now, m an area and were not looking 9just one or two streets, we looked at several blocks in proximity to each other, we tried ideally to do them in weeks that are similar as possible; to other words, weeks But dont have holidays or special wants; bar nonetheless you still have some variations. What Mr. Durgin is talking about, I've got a weekly total of all the course taken on all the streets Wet we counted. The first wank was 75,000 aMthe second weak was about 66,000. I cant explain that difkrence although it's possible there may have been some problems with the counters. I don't know. But Weonlywayinmchmmwhmyoubaveadiscrepmcylikefia youhavetodoa comparison on an equal basis. So you take the high week and adjust it to match the total weekly assuming, the basic assumption here is that the total volume of traffic in absence of special 98-394 events or circumstances should be about the sane. So m compare, we adjusted the totals so that they would be comparable. In the second week, we increased those by 13% to reflect a tomb number equal to the trafirc on the tied week. We could have done it the other way around and reduced die first, but that is typical of what is done. Again, this is not an exact science mut we felt it was impotmnt m get some information and try to receive some tresis bore. Does that answer you question? Durgin: Yes Greg Reed,Bangor Wats District WewouldhavetorernoveaseetionofBoyd SlreetamMe that we would have to abandon. That would be part of the project and No spoken m???in the past on this but there are also potentially some services that with a couple of the buildings on either side of Boyd Street that would need in be relocated back OW onto the Seem StreH to avoid water quality problems in that section. We went to make sure that's pat of the project. Ring: ThatlthiNc is the District's cell. We don't, l deal more drecey with the sewerutility and inthatcmewe'veroundamutemd Pllshowyouonthepmn...(inaudible) IneithercasetM district will lookout birdie interests of both the utility and the customers regarding water quality and pressure issues --that's your call but if its cut off that would be my recommendation. Laquima: Is there any problem with that affecting our sprinkler system on Hancock Pmce, comer ofHenmck and Boyd? That main in be cut off? The Terraces is out ... Laqualia: We are across the street from The Termites. Ring: (inaudible) an area over lues.. humap) Read: Ifwe discontinued rather than rerouted, there should be ne impact Yom water comes down below and you shouldnt be impacted. Ring: Other question? (tape changed) his is an opportunity for comments Those who wish to commeru, l emptasiu this is you that oppommmy rather than you but W comment because it will be considered further by the Council and you will be notified. First if we could heir from anyone who wishes re speak in favor of the proposed discontinuance. We are not talking about the Plulips-Strickland project per se although that's the reason this is being considered, just want to talk about the proposed discontinuance of that lower 180 ft. of Boyd Street north of York. Nelson Omgin: We have proposed the discontinuance in order to move into the project which is shown on the board; Rob Frank, architect, is here. (Durgin stepping over the map -(inaudible). We own the property on both sides and we have aproposal to add 32 congregate apattmevm in this ares which would add on to the Phillips -Strickland House. By going a cress Boyd Street, and using (inaudible) on the map, the most ecommical cost to build on that piece of property it would change our main entrance from Boyd Street to bee connecting onto our existing facility. 98-394 This building would be used for elderly fobs who are more able to take care of themselves, one and two bedroom apamneda and (inaudible) the typical elderly where they get some services (inaudible). When we looked atom wave piece ofpmperty, the most appropriate way to do this is by crossing Boyd Street and using the property on both sides. We did conal the City, Bangor Water, Bangor Hydro and sewer people prior to getting flys far with design. The design is on hold until we hear a response from our request to close Boyd Strt but this is the primary reason we are asking m do that. Rohm Frank: tine of the reasons is, as Nelson said with the existing facilities here to (inaudible) dila building and its location allows continuum of service through to the new expansion both fust and second floor levels, construction work built up, with a 36 space parking la - hopefu ly will put it up above the existing budding (inaudible) essentially two separate buildings simply attached to the walkway more able to provide the nursing and other staff(maudible) acceptable access. Easier when it is all on the sane grade. Ring: I wart to emphasize at this point the City bas no position on the discontinuance. That will occur later. For the record, Rob, there are other possibilities but if f understand you and W. lNrgin correctly that the layout would not he as good a utilization between the new uses and wwfs existing. Frank: Corr t. Rivg: Anymeelselikemspwkforthediscontinumce? Okay. Anyone who would like to speak against the proposed discontinuance? Again, we are not talking about the expansion project but the discontinuance itself. Dick Soucy, Frank's Bake Shop: I have some concerns as a taxpayer (inaudible) ...waterfront all Ne way to Stillwdwr ....I would Trot like to see that remove, seems from those streets all the way through.. (inaudible) Looking at your volume incomes on Boyd Sheet, I mesa Brown Street a 90hiy as a business owners have apmblem with that because I don't believe Brown Stmet can handle the traffic to make up what Boyd Street utas care of, as a business owner of Frank's Bake Shop, we have congesting problems coming up and parking on both sides and coming back on Slam Strt (mandate) (inaudible) -there is congestion there and a lot of comments from people that are coming from.... we knew that would happen and I diM4 thiNr it "old be as evident m it was, I was surprised to see the Nttease on that street and that bothers me. The maw tang is going all the way througb,just the City alone,(imudible). Asthepropertygocadm8the City maintain that drive or abutting property owners? Because ofthe discontinuance going to make access from those two ahts to mypmpe y, I cm sm Nat's probably going to in=ure... (inaudible) As far an the program, I think you have a beautiful program there; not going to say that elderly housing is Out necessary but Jim Ming has mentioned plans b advance your facility and there really is two different facilities there. Two differed programs. One is not the same as the other. I gulls I have ahard time laving aproject all set up -street is going to W clmd Off - mdwhy,altenmtimplan. YouNegotpropertyonbothsideswhynotmethepropertymboth sides that allow that road to stay there because they are separate and not the score. It's nice 0 haven ?fromonemtheoNerbutagdnthowe progrmsmeveryseparate. Obviously Here 98-394 is a war effective advantage. If wanted to build across the street, if we were all doing that we would not have scrubs in Bangor. Maybe other streets wouldn't be a problem a dl wouldit worry about but I do worry about Ws street because it is all the way from the waterfront to Stillwater. Because it is a light street, (inaudible) business alone I don't want to divert that traffic elsewhere because the front of my business why should I now take away from my business and give In yours. That's a fact oflife. l need to grow an and l grow because the vehicles pass by my property and stop. To dived that to the other side, the fnatration well l coat get in so PO just go down the street. There are some concerns here regarding my business aM use of the property. (mandible) I'm not disagreeing with the project but (inaudible) Icing: But again the two rte related because the project is responsible for the natural bra if the project moves forward in whatever vein lure will be a site plan approval process that is a mine appropriate venue to talk about the pros and cans of the projar I undemland your comments. One thing that I usually dontjust respond to comments but I guess I will respond to a question you raised that I may have neglected In mention and Oat was with regard to the maintenance of the ramming portion of the street (inaudible) and when is proposed is discontinuing the lower t80 tt I did mention earlier for that portion it would still remain a provision for aman =and.I dont think (inaudible) but the proposal under consideration would be only that portion. The upper section would remain apublic way with a provision for atom around. Would it be appropriate to ask a question which is strictly related to traffic? Ring. Yes, go ahead. Do you have a feel for what percentage of your business is drive by versus ???, in other words how many are oriented m that location or how many are completely drive by? Soucy Wink. drive by certainly pros you where you want m be. Obviously we have orders. But drive by is a profit that(mandible). People drive by and then call back later. That's our fear. We don't doubt that our business will decrease .... (mandible) But it won't be decrease.... 50.50 that you would lose? gouty: Not only will it decrease I think the congestion on Brown Street will causeproblems. If I were the Cityl would etimhute parking on (�ble). Ring: Asepammissue. Idontmean... Laqualia: I'd like to go on record fust ofall wejust received a notice yesterday, Jim was kind enough to deliver the information to us, w we havent had a lin of time an really think about it and junk at the area to see how much of an impact I would say that our building notwithstanding I was kind of surprised that streets can be discontinued. I've never heard actually OfsheCta being discontinued so that someone could build a building. I wonderifthis is acommon pmetiw a something very unusual. My coucem with our property is that we really have to look at traffic Flow what our op anon is, bow much it will impact traffic even on Barrack Secret, where people exiting our building now all decide to go down on Hancock Street and cause congestion and will get complaints from my [¢amts. We havent had a lot of mine to give that much thought. Ring: Juseaavmment. As l indicatedeadierwehadmailedout noticesand as Wally indicated mommb ago he did not receive his until yesterday because it had the wrong address. So it lied been fairly abort notice afong with one other party. That was beyond our crawol. As far as whether Nis is a common practice, usually we get one ayear, two a year, sometimes none in a year. Again, the City is not advocating for or against at Nis point. We received arequest and we me going to through the process ofconsidering the remoter and getting public input Irsnot uMeard op, it's not something we do all the time but this a legftimme remutee and the Council felt we needed to go through Neprocessto get information and input before taking actio. The action will be by the Council and you will be notified of that date. Anyone else? James Smith? We're not opposed at all, in fact, we believe the facility is going to be a hem utim s addition in the community and the city. observations from our vantage point in the rectory area in Boyd and Yak, we are concerned we are at a semi bypass in the roadblock on Boyd. Ithink our issues basically revolves around traffic and pedestrian crossing. Some half dozen times amonth or so, a group ofchildcm pass from travel between the chinch and the school and given the traffic volume on Store Street its important Nat some sort ofmnholled pedestrian crossing be maintained. That would obviously be something the City would consider. We would expect traffic increase as the vicinity ofThe Coffee Pot to increase and that added congestion would also I think merit a review oftrufAc order control. A lot ofpcople across State Streerto germ The Coffee Pot Afannumberofchildnnmedroppedoffon StaleSV by parents. We can take cue of that but nonetheless fere would be the added congestion. Stopping at stop signs is not a part of the Bangor culture. And if its expected traffic on Brown particularly during the Saturday and Sunday morning and aftemoon periods, during 5merals and other events there is acnecan dere people will not stop at Brown but will simply continue on through. Again I think this world merit some increased inspection and review. I might also suggest ihxr while that review is being conducted that there are several intersections in Nat area where it is very difficult to see but when you come to that mursectioa and I thick largely because the no parking signs ore too close to the icemectiou. It emomages people creeping into the intersection and on those narrow strats iecan be Nsastrous. Bmwn dSmtemevery Nfficultwsa,Bmw and York, Newbury, and York and Newbury, and State during high traffic periods. Moving those backwards might enhance safety. Don Kimball, Terraces Apts: I have similar concerns about traffic and I dunk it has been well stated. Tenants at Terraces have several options of leaving making access to Stale Sheet but access to State is difficult in busyperiods. Ifyou ere going right, whamyou come up Essex, Adams, currently Boyd offers going either way without because you get alight, and obviously Bmwn h ret m option mostpeople navel over Newbury and up iftraveling toward EMMC. People ale accustomed to using Boyd Street as a dam sheet making access to Stillwater Avenue andthe Mail to avoid trafficby ENUvIC andfiutherupto Hogan Road I'maotgoingtoreiterete what's been spokenabout but I do have contents foruur residents and access wood from The Tertsces. We have 104 apartments and I use Store Shat u a(inaudible).... Certainly Philfips- 98-394 Strickland is a nice neighbor end well recognized in the community. Alot of my ter mats eventually make it to Phillips-SMckiand. l certainly appreciate the facility. His well maintained. Cliff Page, Phillips -Strickland House: Ijust ended up 21 yearn urvork down there. I fi gl one bad thing is that it is usually similar to the Indianapolis Speedway. 65-70 mph coming down hill. I know good and bad about both sides but one thing we have been constantly calling the police in the past because..... coming down over the hill. Ring: Very fiequently we hear problems regarding amount of traffic, speed, hdl rolling stop as see it; for ma much of that The police tryto do the best they can but ifs a problem not only in Berg n. I understand and appreciate the comment Anyone who has not signed up noting sheet. As I said, I will be considering your commands It has been very helpful and I appreciate your taking the time to come here. This will be considered by the Council in terns of whether to actually approve the request for discontinuance or not That will be another opportunity kr people to make comments regarding the proposed discontinuance. It most likely will be at the next Council moving on September 28th. Everyone here plus those abutters not present will receive anotice of that date. Ijust wanted you to be aware. I think it is an important issue and the project has a lot of merit. I think there ere some very legitimate concems many of which have been voiced about tlds. I will report dsese to the Council for their fuller consideration. Again, youwilt have anotheropportunity to speak at that time. In the meantime, inthe next few days, if you have further questions, please feel fice to contictme. Again, pro Jim Ring, City Engineer. My phone number is 9454400, ext 201. Thank you all very much. 98-394 done that by a mailing. We have a list of the abutens form our cox maps and we did mail those. 1 know there are a couple of folks, although we mailed the notices out last Friday, I bad two that retumed re my office yesterday aflmnum, wrong addressee. I don't know if they are all represented here or not, but I did hand deliver than and my apologies for shortuess of notice, but that was a little bit beyond our control. We also print a notice in the newspaper that we did earlier this week. just basically a notice dual we're considering it and we are going he hold a public hearing. Agnmthat's not rationed by state serves bat it is something that we do. Alegal notice. Once we do that, we hold apublic hearing. Again daps technically not requned by statute but is something were always done here in the Cityto givepeople at least fust hand opportmtitytowmmmtandNfu ffexplainwhatisbeingconsideredinsteadofjmtawritrm notice and we like to have dila we of foram and hear from you folks. We did hold off a bit from the time the Council directed me to proud with the process Weil actually scheduling this hearing. The reason for that is that we wanted to obtain some traffic information which l think many of you are familiar with that we did that and that there were traffic counters out there. I'm going to review the results shortly. Finally, after we conclude Use public hearing, received your comments, then I report back to the City Council and the Council will than consider the request and take action Thai likely would occur "aearliest onthe next Council meeting which is9- 28-98. We will also be providing notices m abuttem and will be published in The Weekly Council Agenda for others as well. Sothis is not yew last or only opportunity, to comment either pm, conorwhnlevaav this matter. Tbiaisreallyy wfuatoppommitywge entherecordw tospeak. Atryq WovaaboWthepmmsatthispoint?i estalkabmtwhatisexwdybeing proposed. We've got scruple ofdmwegs. (Ring describivg/talkivg about drawings (mandible). The request received was on behalfof the Phillips -Strickland Home who is contemplating an expansion of their facility. (refers to architectural drawing und city maps). Theespausionbeing contemplated would go ova across what is currently Boyd Street. (mandible) Specifrcallythe request for dismntuwance would be for that ponom of Boyd Sued which cmoully goes from York up about 18011 to the Iowa edge of this parking lot. (inaudible) I should mention also that if this were to occur we have to provide, or we would require provision for a turnaround either a cul de sec which would be abulb or what we call ahammer head which is an opponmdty formyonewwmedo con oma yortheotherandgobackout. That would be required if this actually takes place. Thee are a number of potential impacts for the discontinuance, the biggest one of comae is atraffic impact at least in our view and that's primarily what we consider here ar the City in terms of the public necessity for continuing m maintain the strcet right of way ver. discontinuing a portion of it. 1 mentioned earlier we had done some traffic study work in the way of traffic counts. We have ow local transportation planning group called BACfS(the Bangor Are a Comprehensive Trangsubsion System) housed at Emtem Maine Developm nt Corporation and they assist Bangor and other area municipalities with various traffic issues. Back in August we set up some counters and as I got thinking about this wall that is was every important issue and we really nand to know what the impact, abetter feet for what the impacts ares,retherthanjusteveryone'sopinion. Sowesdupmmtereon Essex,Adam,Boyd,Bmwn, alsoacoupleofNewbury,Forest Avenue. Comtsweetakeuforaweekjwtthewayitis;thm we put up some barricades W either end of Boyd Street and thele s the only way I can think of to gctabederfeel. Manyofyoupmbablyebs edalotofpwplewhou Nsmeaquickly leamed that they couldn't drive the area and had sane who didn't observe the signs. On the other hmd,wehadtomaivminitopmforthoseofyouwhostiBnee wN msyom Wopeny. The 98-394 PUBLICHEARING BOYD STREET DISCONTINUANCE SEPFEMBER 18, 1998 In attendance: Jim Ring, Robert Franc, Nelson Dmgm, Greg Read, Don Com, Clifford Page, Malcolm E. Jones, Don L. Kimball, Robert M. Couturier, Dick Soucy, Wally Laqualia, George Weathmbee, Bill Weatherba, James A. Smidl Lany Brewster Jim Ring, City Engineer. Ms is a public hearing for the proposed discontmuence of section of Boyd Street. We are circulating around a sign up sheet for you to sign in oral The renown for Us bearing is because we received a request, as we occasionally do here in the City, far disco ma- ummeofpanofapublicway. What I'm going to do is to outline just the smrotam of what we are going to do bare. This is apablic hearing but it doen't vent W W as fon" m it may wmn, but I would like to get everybody's comments. That is very important to us as we proceed with this and you'll have plenty of opportunity, Whatlthought FddodMsmomvg,fwthoseofyouwho may not be familiarwith this type ofpmcess, isjust to explain the procedure in general for discontinuance ofa public way in a portion ofapublic way, then I'll get into a line bit ofwhm exactly is beingpropmed, discuss the potential impacts and than after I do that, I would like to just give you an opportunity to ask questions about what it proposed if you don't mnemaM what it is Following that, we'll have an opportunity for you to make any statements or comments that you have regarding this. Whether it is for or against, or no opinion. I'd like W by to keep with that structure, if we can. As I said, the tars[ thing that Cm going to outline is the procedure for discontinuance ofapublic way and that is prescribed by were statute. This isn't something that we do here in the City and have am own procedure. It is very specifically ddalled in state statute fide 23,§3026. The way consideration of a discontinuance occurs is first a municipality has to receive a request by an interested party; an individual citizen, a group of citizens, a business m some other entity recognized in the City. We have received such a request on behalf of the Phillips -Strickland bomgmdIY wingwgdt wafittlebitmomabowthatinjwafewminutes. Thenextstep, although itis not mmdo dby statute, what we do hr Bangor is fust take such request to a Comcil Committee. In this cong it is the Municipal Operations Committee which is wmPrised ofthra Councilors. had anow (inaudible) the Council through Committee that we have received an inquiry about possible discontinuance ofapublic way to see if there if sufficient interest on the part of the Council to consider this further. I can't recall my situation over some 25 years where the Comcilom said no, we aren't going to consider a request. It doesa't mean they are going to agee w it, ifsjust a dwision whethcrthey want W pmcced with fuller action Then, that Committee recommends thatwe have a formed mmorcomonby the full Council to actually proceed with the process. Io "a ease, we hal a Council Order which I believe many of you, at least as abuttess, were provided a copy. Itbasically dirccb the City Engineer W proceed with the process, notify interested panda, hold stunning, and so on and so forth Nodecisionhasbeen made exceptto further explore this at this point. Thenen[thingtbatwedgthenextstepinthe process is W provide notification W abutters. That's all that is requned by state statute. We've