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Historic Preservation Commission Meeting Minutes – March 10, 2022
HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
MEETING OF MARCH 10, 2022 7:00 P.M.
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, OR VIA ZOOM
MEETING MINUTES
Commission Members Present: Liam Riordan, Chair
Edmond Chernesky, Zoom
Nathaniel King
Anne Marie Quin
Karen Rand, Assoc. Member, Zoom
Matthew Weitkamp, Assoc. Member, Zoom
City Staff Present: Melissa Bickford, Development Assistant
Jeff LaBree, Housing Rehab. Coordinator
Chair Riordan called the meeting to order at 7:02 P.M.
Old Business:
1. Certificate of Appropriateness – 41 Thomas Hill Road – Thomas Hill Standpipe – Map-Lot
021-084 – Thomas Hill Historical District – Applicant: Smart Link Group, Joseph Rollins
o/b/o T-Mobile LLC; Owner: Bangor Water District - Approval for installation of a 25KW standby
generator to support wireless equipment. This will allow wireless facility to continue to operate in
event of power-loss. Installation includes a 4x10 cement pad upon which generator to be placed
at property located at 41 Thomas Hill Road, Map-Lot 021-084, in the Thomas Hill Historical District.
(Item moved to April 14, 2022 Historic Preservation Commission Meeting)
New Business:
2. Certificate of Appropriateness – 17 Pond Street – Map-Lot 033-005 – Whitney Park Historical
District – Applicants: Richard Bauer & Danielle Buchma – Approval for removal/replacement
of existing shingles on the front of the home, and the replacement of approximately 20 windows at
property located at 17 Pond Street, Map-Lot 033-005, in the Whitney Park Historical District.
Applicants presented the following in part and in substance:
Property acquired in November 2021, addressing several years of deferred maintenance of
property, inside and outside
Today, discussing windows and roof
o Intricate windows, picket-fenced patterns will not be touched – most are old, drafty, in
disrepair, cracked, dilapidated storm windows – wants more energy efficient windows
20 new windows for the property, which is an upgrade
Roof was previously covered entirely in slate
o Many years ago, a leak must’ve caused prior owner to make repairs – installed metal
roofing product (interlock), options reviewed, and they can obtain a product which is
both practical and cosmetic that would improve the house
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o Shingles must be at least 30 years old and need to be replaced
o Smith Builders will be performing the work, provided examples to Commission as
requested by the Consultant
Chair Riordan reviewed the Consultant Recommendations:
1) Color of the “front” to where new roofing will be located – applicants wish to have the color
match as best as possible
a. Synthetic slate is a metal amalgam, shiner slate look, which is impossible to match
due to materials being different – wish to do something closely complimentary
b. Pewter gray has been selected at the recommendation of Smith Builders, reviewed
other slate alternatives and nothing closely matched
The Commissioners discussed the following in part and in substance:
Previous roof was not historical, colors closely match, also discussed that the pewter gray was
the best
2) Metal apron along the eves – common feature of this period – per applicants, this will be
retained
Jeff LaBree noted that the metal roofing on the left side of the house, the metal apron was eliminated
and appears to have been eliminated along the left of the bay area as well. Applicant indicated that it
had been eliminated on the rear as well. Gutters had been boxed in, no metal drip pan.
3) The wood trim will remain – proposed mutton width will be the narrowest version that
Anderson produces
4) The aluminum storm windows are part of the reason for the new windows, looking to get
rid of them
5) New exterior wrap, L-Channel – showing that the L-Channel is a component of the fibrex
frame that is securing the actual window to the frame, and is part of the fibrex window from
an optical perspective
Jeff LaBree noted that it’s more of a fastener, and provides a bit more leeway from side to side. When
the window backs against the frame, it helps fill some of the gap. Will be the same color as the sash,
which will be black
Chair Riordan opened public comment, no public in attendance in person or via zoom. Closed public
comment. Chair Riordan opened up questions and/or comments from the Commission and the following
was offered in part and in substance:
Commission wanted to be sure that the muttons were similar, and that the thinnest version
possible would be used, discussed the cornices across the top of windows – applicant
indicated that the cornices would be retained
o Applicants indicate that the mutton measurements are ¾” wide – unsure how that
compares to the existing grill width. Muttons are only on a few of the windows currently,
on 3 of the dormers in the rear of the house. Currently 2/2 design. Anderson has 2
widths, and this is the narrowest width. Similar, almost identical product has been used
in other historical properties in the neighborhood.
Commissioner King moves approval for Certificate of Appropriateness at 17 Pond Street, Map-Lot 033-
005 in the Whitney Park Historical District, seconded by Commissioner Quin – Roll Call Vote – Quin, yes;
King, yes; Rand, yes; Chernesky, yes; Riordan, yes. Approved unanimously.
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3. Certificate of Appropriateness – 41 Thomas Hill Road – Thomas Hill Standpipe – Map-Lot
021-084 – Thomas Hill Historical District – Applicant: Transcend Wireless, Russell Palmer
o/b/o T-Mobile LLC; Owner: Bangor Water District -Approval for removal/replacement of (6)
antennas, removal of coax cables, removal of amps, relocation of antennas from flagpole to
ballast, replacement of (2) equipment cabinets and addition of (3) radios at property located at
41 Thomas Hill Road, Map-Lot 021-084, in the Thomas Hill Historical District.
Agent Russ Palmer provided the following in part and in substance:
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Transcend Wireless, 3 party vendor that works with T-Mobile for modifications for many wireless
sites around New England
Realizes that Thomas Hill Standpipe is a National, Historic Landmark, and understands that this
revision is not promoting the aesthetics – wants to present it and all that is proposed, obtain the
feedback and make any necessary changes that will work for all
Existing equipment plan shown with current racks and cabinets – plan is to remove two and add
two new ones. The biggest thing is that there will be three sleds – current antennas are on the
flag pole now. Proposing to take antennas off the flag pole, and put them on non-penetrating
sleds, which will be balanced by concrete blocks
Reviewed drawings which show existing antenna locations
o Proposed antennas are bigger, will be on the top of the structure, not the flag pole – they’re
larger, and will be more visible as they’re on the sleds
o Quantity of antennas will not change – proposing to reinforce roof to handle the weight of
the sleds – detailed included in materials provided to include the framing plan and structural
analysis, providing even more detail
o The whole look will change, which will make a significant difference
o Details on antennas, weight, sizing, and bracket usage shown with the photo-simulations
Sims shown with proposed sleds, would also be concrete blocks to hold the sleds
Three sleds with two antennas on each, spread out on the three sleds
Structural analysis completed to show how they wish to frame
Chair Riordan reviewed the Consultant Comments:
1) 3 sleds are proposed, only one shown
2) Approx. weight 390 lbs. with addition of concrete blocks; structural changes to the roof, adding
additional framing under each sled
3) Review Standard §148-9-B.2.states, “Every reasonable effort shall be made to provide a
compatible use which will require minimum alteration to the structure and it’s environment.”
a. Agent indicated that the structural supports are out of view, not changing the overall look,
T-Mobile needs to maintain certain standards and in order to do that, an upgrade to
equipment is needed. Current antennas are not made for this type of traffic, wind speeds
tested by structural engineers, and signed off on the modifications proposed
i. Commission inquired who covers the cost of the structural supports, Agent advised
that T-Mobile general contractor will do all of the work
ii. Commission inquired about modification of the structure of the roof, and if it would
do anything to the historical integrity of the structure, potentially impacting the
national register listing, and how much impact that will have on the Standpipe.
1. Jeff LaBree indicated that usually this applies to the exterior only, visible
from the street, but will follow up on this to be sure
2. Agent indicated that the reinforcement to the roof rafters would happen on
the inside of the structure
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3. Commissioner King indicated that there was a set of guidelines from the
Secretary of Interior for rehabilitation standards that have to be met, which
might be outside the scope of the local Historic Preservation Commission,
curious on impact to the integrity of the structure that it might have, which
might be outside of their purview
4. Chair Riordan said that there is critical language in the review standard, and
will require minimum alteration to structure and environment, and
considered it a red flag considering the physical modifications to the most
iconic structure in the City of Bangor, and was amazed that a previous
commission allowed antennas to be placed there. Chair Riordan concerned
about structural changes to the building, especially the visual impact which
is also quite striking
4) Proposed change in antennas from existing to new ones, as the new ones are larger, thicker and
more visible. Review Standard §148-9. B.2.h states in part; “Mechanical equipment such as heat
pumps, solar panels, communication devices, HVAC units, or similar shall be located in such a
way as to minimize its visual impact.”
a. This installation would have significant impact when viewing this historical structure from
many vantage points
b. Commission discussed that the sleds stood up higher, and that the antennas looked like
giant boxes
i. Agent indicated that in order for the level of service they need to provide, equipment
needs to be located where it’s proposed. Lease with T-Mobile indicates that tenant
is allowed to alter, for the term of the agreement, and that a happy medium is
needed, as they did lease the space and are paying for it. Agent understands the
visual impact, and will return the feedback to T-Mobile.
ii. Jeff LaBree inquired if FCC guidelines would allow them to place equipment inside
the building
1. Agent believes so, but unsure on the impact on the signal from a “RF”
standpoint, indicated that they are located in some church steeples, so it’s
a possibility, but unsure of the impact on performance or coverage issues.
2. Commission inquired about moving the equipment inside the colonnade at
the top or inside, as there would be considerable public dislike on the
proposed modifications.
Agent will withdraw application, and return at a later date with an updated design. Chair Riordan
encouraged agent to make clear to T-Mobile that they need to make as minimal structural changes to the
historic building, and that the visual impact not exceed what is currently on site. Ideally, if this can be
done in a way with no structural changes to the historical building. If it has to be done, it will need to be
strategic and, in the least, invasive way possible. Agent feels that this is the best proposal that T-Mobile
could come up with, and that it will be a long road, but will return the feedback to T-Mobile. Agent
indicated that as the technology grows, so do the antennas, and for the different frequencies and 5G, the
antennas they’re coming out with now are much larger. Chair Riordan requested to have a representative
from the City legal department available at the next Historic Preservation Meeting for the lease comments.
4. Certificate of Appropriateness – Design Review – 36 Central Street – Map-Lot 041-068-A –
Great Fire Historical District & Façade District – Applicant/Owner: Delia, LLC c/o Annette
Dodd – Approval for removal/replacement of windows on the second floor at property located at
36 Central Street, Map-Lot 041-068-A, in the Great Fire Historical District and Façade District.
Applicant presented the following in part and in substance:
Replaced old second floor windows; single pained, woodwork starting to rot
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Concerned about safety at this point, want to be sure that the windows stay in place, wood is really
bad
Plan is to keep tile work the same, just changing the wooden part of the windows
Marvin Clad windows, exterior wood to be white
They will come as close to the ones that are currently there, does not wish to change anything
about the building
Chair Riordan reviewed the Consultant Comments:
1) Finish color not specified, applicant indicated that they will be white, which is consistent with the
existing façade
2) Tall DH window in proposal, accidentally included
a. Applicant indicates that the arch window or tall window doesn’t fit, and contractor thinks
that it might have been a short cut on Hammond Lumber’s end, contractor will look into
this. Hammond Lumber is aware that they are curved, and has discussed this with the
contractor. Contractor contacted Hammond Lumber today, and they’re aware the
windows are curved
b. Applicant indicated that there is a high arch window above the door, which is a pricey
window, and two of the large configuration windows – can only assume Hammond
Lumber had a problem with the program, as when they came to measure the windows,
they had it drawn correctly. Applicant indicated that they’re replacing two of the windows,
and did tell contractor to be sure that the window was curved, and was reassured over
the phone that it would be curved, as a square window would not fit into that space
3) 4” horizontal bar between middle stack of windows; applicant indicated that there is a space in the
center two, decent woodwork trim between the two windows, but isn’t sure of the exact
measurement, believes it to be an inch or two larger. Applicant advised that this was the closest
they could get to that size. Wishes to replace the third-floor windows eventually, and they’ll match
the entire building
4) Are the windows to be recessed as they are currently? Applicant indicated that yes, everything
was to remain the same, only woodwork to be taken out and replaced exactly.
Chair Riordan opened public comment. No comment from in person or zoom. Chair Riordan closed public
comment. Chair Riordan requested questions and discussion from the Commission:
Commission thought that the new windows were clearly needed, and the applicant had come as
close to possible to having the same product, and that it looked good.
Commission wanted to be sure that the exterior trim around windows as well as the ceramic trim
was to stay intact, and applicant advised that it would be staying the same.
Commissioner Quin moves approval of Certificate of Appropriateness for 36 Central Street, Map-Lot 041-
068-A in the Great Fire Historical District & Façade District, seconded by Commissioner Chernesky. Roll
Call Vote: Quin, yes; King, yes; Chernesky, yes; Rand, yes; Riordan, yes. Approved unanimously.
Commissioner Quin moves approval of Design Review for 36 Central Street, Map-Lot 041-068-A in the
Great Fire Historical District & Façade District, seconded by Commissioner King. Roll Call Vote: Quin,
yes; King, yes; Chernesky, yes; Rand, yes; Riordan, yes. Approved unanimously.
5. Discussion Regarding Development of Housing Located at 324 Union
Jeff LaBree advised that 324 Union Street had burned several years prior and that the City took
possession of it in 2015. This parcel is the last property within the Whitney Park Historical District that is
a buildable lot. A Request for Proposals (RFP) was issued with no responses. Some time later, another
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RFP was issued, considering that the City was in need of more housing. Being in a Historical District,
certain standards must be adhered to. In the most recent RFP, two submissions were received. Both
designs were presented to the Historic Preservation Commission, and advised that additional information
had been requested from both respondents as to how the proposed houses would be situated on the
property. At this time, neither respondent have returned additional information. Both designs were
presented to the Historic Preservation Commission for review, and consideration as to which design would
best fit the area. An old garage was allowed to be removed from the property a couple of years back, lot
is configured in a “L” Shape. A private developer would build and sell the home as a single-family
residence within the Historical District. The City would enter into a Development Agreement with the
developer.
Exhibit A; is the white property, which would face towards Union Street. The remnants of the old driveway
situated at the South Side of lot would be kept. Entrance to property would be in the rear, facing Hayward
Street. Property would need to maintain setbacks.
Exhibit B; is more of a conceptual design, to be inverted and the garage would be located closer. House
would face Pond Street more than Union Street.
The Commission provided the following in part and in substance:
Exhibit B doesn’t “look like” the historical district
Possibility of bringing in an old historic house onto the lot?
o That is possible, but locating such a house would be a task
Neither of the houses look like they belong in this historical district, nothing historical appearing
about either
Difficult to evaluate without seeing proposed materials and current facades of adjoining
structures
Renderings of where the house will be located on the lot would be helpful, based on how houses
on Union Street are situated
o Jeff LaBree advised that those specifications had been requested, however we had not
received any additional information from the potential developers
Railroad style houses due to the narrowness of the lots, mainly in that area, would like to see
that sort of style
No virtues of either presented option are historic
Building that goes there cannot be contemporary, but needs character, this is a very historic area
6. February 10, 2022 Meeting Minutes – Commissioner Quin moves approval of the meeting
minutes of February 10, 2022 with no revisions or corrections, seconded by Commissioner
Chernesky.
7. Adjournment at 8:14. P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Melissa L. Bickford
Development Assistant
Planning Division