HomeMy WebLinkAbout2005-12-13 Planning Board Minutes
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORKSHOP
TUESDAY, DECEMBER 13, 2005
MINUTES
Board Members Present: Robert Guerette, Chairman
David Clark
Nat Rosenblatt
Hal Wheeler
Alice Brown
Laura Mitchell
City Staff Present: David Gould
Jim Ring
Peter Witham
Bangor Daily News Dawn Gagnon
Five additional people attended from the community
Chairman Guerette opened the meeting at 6:30 pm to discuss Element 5.
Mr. Gould explained that Planning Element 5 was laid out in two major sections, to
represent the broad brush for Land Use Concepts and more detailed for Zoning Policy.
But they also spent much time on traffic and corridor studies. Much of the data are now
out of date and are indicated to be struck out. To integrate what the Board discussed in
transition areas there is a section added to replace the corridor studies at the end.
Mr. Guerette concluded after reading the section that there need to be a lot more trees
planted.
Ms. Brown asked if the Board would be going through page by page and Mr. Guerette
agreed.
Ms. Brown read the section from standpoint of a developer for content, but picked up
grammatical errors, too. Mr. Gould said that it was difficult to read some passages, for
instance where it refers to “traditional anticipation.” Ms. Brown recommended breaking
up some of the sentences.
Mr. Wheeler agreed that clarity of language is important in City documents.
The Board discussed the grammatical structure of another sentence. Mr. Wheeler said
that when he read this section he skimmed over the grammatical sections.
Mr. Guerette said that after the grammar is resolved it reads as if there are problems
we have inherited. Mr. Rosenblatt offered some changes to clean up the sentences.
Mr. Ring said that the traffic issue seems to focus on the Mall area, but traffic does
come up in other areas of the City. Things have changed not just after a century of
development, but after 10 years. It is worth noting that there are other areas of the
City that could be mentioned.
Mr. Wheeler said that it he didn’t disagree that with the phrase “century of
development”, but observed that two particular years could be mentioned when there
were large changes. 1912 was the year of the great fire downtown. The other pivotal
year was 1968, the year the Air Force Base closed and $15,000,000 payroll in 1968
dollars was lost.
Mr. Guerette asked if some of the thoughts should be added, but Mr. Wheeler said they
were just his observations for references.
Another set of grammatical and language particulars was discussed related to recent
discussions around the marsh. The purpose of this section was discussed and how
much background needed to be included in the update.
Mr. Wheeler suggested outlining the content for each section rather than going over
each word.
Ms. Brown asked if the lines on the Developmental Policy Map are tied to particular
locations.
Mr. Gould said that it is an estimate on where sewer and water can serve but a
developer would have to prove what can and can’t be served.
Mr. Guerette asked about the Primary Service Area boundary and if it is much of an
issue anymore, especially because of the large subdivisions in the rural areas such as
on outer Essex Street.
Mr. Rosenblatt had questions about the green colored areas. Mr. Gould did too. He said
the section is about the Bangor Mall Subarea section. The Mall/Marsh area is a different
subsection of the Bangor Mall Subarea.
Mr. Wheeler asked about the section in parentheses, which seemed to be an area
description and referred to the mobile home park that is no longer there.
Mr. Gould said that he wanted to leave it for the Board to decide what to do with it.
Mr. Ring asked if the appendix refers to the Bangor Mall Subarea, but if that is going to
be dropped, the heading should be changed.
Mr. Guerette gave some suggested language to refer to the Mall/Marsh report. Mr.
Rosenblatt asked about the 11 planning areas and if they are still current.
Mr. Gould thought they could be struck as irrelevant with the transition areas being the
focus in this update.
Mr. Guerette thought the use of “etc.” should not be used. It seems unfinished. Another
sentence unidentifiable from the audio tape was dissected.
Ms. Brown said that the statement on Page 8 — “past housing policy have ignored the
correlation between density and housing type”, seemed like a slap to the people before
and wondered if it should be changed.
There was a discussion on rewording and on the purpose of the Comprehensive Plan.
Doubt that it is used by developers. Concern about the 5% who read it and that it could
be used in court.
Mr. Guerette said that there are different outlooks on areas and neighborhoods now as
compared to the past then it is worthwhile to have those observations in the CP.
Mr. Rosenblatt found a grammatical correction, but talked about the use of “Water’s
Edge” that seems to be a smaller and smaller and he did not like that. Maybe some
difference of term could be used to distinguish them.
Mr. Guerette said that it did seem like a narrow description.
Mr. Rosenblatt said that because the City Council will ultimately decide, maybe there
should be a statement that the ultimate layout is undetermined.
Mr. Gould said that he was not describing the depth, but that the area closest to the
water is the most valuable and should be reserved for public open space. The reason
for this to be here is that there have been entities who want to put in residential uses
right on the water. The concern is that once there are private residences there it will
preclude or conflicts with the use of the space by the public. He said the distance back
could be flexible, but each proposal for use will have to be looked at for what it offers
and what it will be.
Mr. Wheeler said that point made sense because we can’t give everybody everything
they want. By retaining that statement it keeps it flexible.
Mr. Ring said isn’t that we are trying to see that the space is highly valued?
Mr. Wheeler said that it goes beyond that to be essential.
Mr. Gould said that it goes beyond that with the way the area is used now. Along the
edges of the Kenduskeag Stream there are areas where the landowners can tell people
to leave the private property. It goes beyond just access and right of way, but having
enough room for the public to not be infringed on by the private uses.
There was discussion on page 11 of two sentence fragments.
Mr. Rosenblatt wondered if page 12 was the location to put discussion of the seminary.
Mr. Gould said that it did not come up because it was not identified as a transition area.
He is comfortable with the policy as it is, Low Density Residential, even though it is
zoned G&ISD.
Mr. Guerette questioned the sentence on Airport Development District.
Mr. Gould said that the issue is that the district has no standards and staff can’t tell
applicants how to lay things out if there are none.
Mr. Guerette said that we should state what the goal is then, that in order for there to
be standards amendments to the Land Development Code will have to be made. On
page 13 Ms. Brown had a question about the use of “reasonable” and “land value” in a
sentence. There was some discussion about the sentence.
On page 14 there was some sketchy grammar in the rural section. The Union Street
section used “in lieu or’ which could be reworded.
Mr. Gould remembered the struggle in the 1980’s to keep fast food and auto
dealerships off of Union Street. It seemed as though every application coming in tried
to convince the policy to change. The work of 10 or 20 years to maintain the policy
finally paid off with the latest development in the Hospital complex. Another area that
developers pushed to change to commercial was outer Mount Hope Avenue area.
Finally the residential development has begun and will help to secure that area. Over
decades the work that the City does produces the results.
Mr. Wheeler appreciated the discussion on the gestation period of development policy.
On page 15 it was noted that there were some missing words in the first red section.
Alternatives were discussed.
On page 16 there was a question of “naturally” in the phrase “where low density
housing should naturally occur.” It was decided to strike the word.
On page 18 there was a question on the mention of the Belvedere Condominium and its
status that was approved by the Planning Board.
On page 21 in the final paragraph, second sentence beginning with “juxtaposition” a
suggestion was made to rewrite the sentence and reduce it to its essential statement.
On page 22 there is discussion of “unsightly” gas station and what to use as an
adjective if any, or to strike several whole phrases.
On page 23 the second sentence in red there was something missing. “Et cetera” was
also used at the beginning. “Parking on the street provides some heavy buffering at
peak hour on the street” was confusing, but explained. Request to change “try and
anticipate” to “try to anticipate” or rephrase it “to anticipate”
On page 24 “properties on the street back on to..” was requested to be changed to
“abut.”
On page 25 “somewhat unfettered unplanned individual site developments...” request
to change the phrase or eliminate the excess adjectives. “In recent years..” sentence
has some grammatical errors and was discussed more than briefly.
On page 26 “to try and anticipate” should be changed. There was a discussion about
the traffic count on Broadway and that it recorded the highest count in Bangor. Mr.
Ring said that the counts on Stillwater are still less than 33,000, and he believed that
Broadway was still the highest, but he would check. Farther down the page the
“commercial development on Broadway to limit extent it to Husson Avenue” then
discussion about State Street recommendations. There were questions about the recent
zone change and conditions. Use of “fortuitous” was pointed out. There was a
discussion earlier about transition areas and sections from those writings were inserted
into this text. The issue is access management and green space and that is why it is
included in this section. The old plan says that a good job has been done containing
development up to Husson Avenue. Now we recognize the area between Husson
Avenue and Burleigh Road still has an area of residential that we would like to maintain.
On page 27 there was a question about several phrases “need for additional trees”. Is
that a part of the current plan? It was noted that is one of the attractive features of
Bangor is that trees are replanted and forests are extensive here.
On page 28 it was noted that un-serviced can stand alone.
On page 31 there were several grammatical things in the red area and redundancies.
On page 32 the second paragraph on Union Place, Mr. Guerette hoped we could give a
better sense of direction on what should be there. He wanted to know what the area
would be appropriate for. Mr. Gould said that it suggests mixed use as appropriate.
There was discussion how best to rephrase the section on this and also on Curve Street
to specify that any commercial developments not overwhelm surrounding residential
developments.
On page 33, the last paragraph on “land adjacent to Godfrey Boulevard zoned industrial
“again”. Again should be struck. This section came from a discussion of the changing
zones along Maine Avenue.
On page 35, in the first paragraph, the description of industry needs punctuation. The
dilemma in “dilemma of two industrial zones is complicated” and needed explanation or
changing of terms to maybe inconsistency of use. “With construction of Bangor Mall”
needed punctuation.
On page 36, the old language description of traffic and trees needs clarification or
deleting. “Opportunity fast-approaching” needs fixing. The issue in 1989 at the time
was there was undeveloped property there, but in 2000 there was less space to be
developed, so there was less opportunity to set a pattern for curb cuts and landscaping.
The whole section may need to be rewritten, rather than redo the old language.
Page 37, “the corridor study proposed to add lanes to Stillwater Avenue” was
questioned. Mr. Ring explained the corridor study and recommended improvements. He
said that the addition of the extra lane at Parkade did make a difference on Stillwater
Avenue. Mr. Guerette thought it would be in the jurisdiction of the Planning Board to
recommend that there be impact fees for open space for small subdivisions. Impact
fees for traffic were also discussed again for small projects that do not require MDOT
permits. Ms. Mitchell asked if these items are on a “to do” list. Mr. Gould said that
needed to be developed. In the second section “future considerations” several changes
were recommended. The last sentence needed to be changed, too. One too many
continues in the last red line. Also commas were needed.
On page 39 reference to “visual clutter” and what is it. How can it be legislated? There
was a discussion on if there are standards for “accessory” use and if there really is a set
of specific standards in the ordinance. The Board had to judge whether the car wash on
Stillwater Avenue fit in with the architectural character of the area. Because there are
mixed styles, anything could fit in with no grounds to deny it. The discussion was that if
there isn’t a set of standards, then we should not say there is. The
rereading of the particular sentence several times revealed several faults in it. It was
decided that the terms “standards” and “guidelines” used were not accurately in the
sentence.
Mr. Guerette talked about a recommended policy that the Board would discuss
recommended changes in the Land Use Code as amendments.
On page 40 a sentence under objective “City of Bangor shall adopt land use controls
that promote the highest & best use of land law minimizing conflicts between
incompatible activities optimizing public investment” as a mouthful and generalities of
the phrase. There was a discussion of methods calculating “highest and best use”. It
was pointed out that if the objective was confusing, then one should look at the
associated goal regarding spatial arrangement of activities. There was a discussion
about goals and objectives and whether they should be lofty generalities or restrictive
specifications. There was a discussion about researching the term “Highest and Best
Use” to consider if it was the “best” term to fit in this sentence as public policy. There
was a discussion about all of the goals and objectives that they were fine as they were.
Also who was responsible for them once they are written and how are they enforced.
Page 41 or 42, a policy involving historic preservation was discussed for modification to
include some other terms.
Page 43, Goal 6, was discussed as being nebulous and considered for modification.
Policies 8 and 9 were also discussed. There were questions on harvesting and clear-
cutting.
There was a reminder that these policies are broad and for guidance on developing the
Land Development Code.
There was a discussion of the banning of lighted signs and projecting signs in the late
1960’s and early 1970’s and how dark downtown has become since then. Then in the
late 1990’s projecting signs were allowed again.
The meeting adjourned at 9:15 p.m.